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		<title>Saddleback&#8217;s Health and Fitness Seminar: An Eyewitness Account</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few days ago, I posted an article by Jan Markell (Olive Tree Ministries) concerning Rick Warren&#8217;s newest initiative&#8212;a health and fitness seminar featuring three doctors representing three very different worldviews &#8211; Dr. Oz (a Muslim), Dr. Hymen (a Jew) and Dr. Amen (a Christian). As a follow-up, I am posting this article by Jennifer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A few days ago, I posted an article by Jan Markell (<a href="http://www.olivetreeviews.org/">Olive Tree Ministries</a>) concerning Rick Warren&#8217;s newest initiative&#8212;a health and fitness seminar featuring three doctors representing three very different worldviews &#8211; Dr. Oz (a Muslim), Dr. Hymen (a Jew) and Dr. Amen (a Christian).</em></p>
<p><em>As a follow-up, I am posting this article by Jennifer Pekich (<a href="http://ponderingsfrompatmos.blogspot.com">Ponderings from Patmos blog</a>), who personally attended the event on January 15, 2011. This is a well-written, well-researched and very important article that has been picked up and re-posted on  many discernment and apologetics blogs across the internet.</em></p>
<p><em>I want to extend my personal thanks to Jennifer for her excellent work on this and for her permission to post her article here.</em></p>
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<h3><strong>Saddleback Health &amp; Fitness Seminar &#8211; Infomercial for Sustainable Development</strong></h3>
<p><em>by Jennifer Pekich (Ponderings from Patmos) <a href="http://ponderingsfrompatmos.blogspot.com/2011/01/saddleback-health-fitness-seminar.html?showComment=1295731820883#c3753303697907051983">(click here for original post)</a><br />
</em></p>
<p>Today on Patmos we will discuss my experience at the Saddleback Health  and Fitness Seminar this past weekend.  I first arrived to Saddleback&#8217;s  campus only to be told that &#8220;all parking lots were full.&#8221;  I drove  across the street to see if there were any spots available in the  business lots and they were full too.  I ended up parking in a housing  tract and walked a mile or two back to Saddleback&#8217;s campus.  As  I arrived, I overheard a parking lot attendant say they estimated about  6,000 people had come to the seminar.</p>
<p>I was a little late, so I was grateful to my nephew who went online and  began to relay what was being said in the opening comments, as I didn&#8217;t  want to miss what was to be the foundation of the talks that day.  I was  a little taken aback when my nephew told me the first speaker, Dr.  Amen, made reference to the Egyptian pyramids and how they were built  upon an &#8221;idea,&#8221; and if man could build something like that all those  thousands of years ago, what could he do today if he put his mind to  it?  I found that to be somewhat disturbing, as the pyramids, no matter  how impressive they were, represent the ancient pagan religions which  got their start in Babylon when Nimrod gathered men (the community)  together to commit idolatry by building a tower to honor themselves as  gods (Gen. Ch. 11). [1]  And yet here it was, the analogy that was  chosen to illustrate this new &#8220;idea&#8221; Saddleback would launch their 52  week program with.  No matter what Dr. Amen&#8217;s intent was, I believe the  analogy was appropriate, and the subtle message is telling&#8230;&#8221;MAN CAN DO  ANYTHING HE PUTS HIS MIND TO.&#8221;  Sound familiar? (Read Gen. 3:4-5). [2]</p>
<p>As I began to head up the hill toward the main sanctuary, a Saddleback  tram pulled up and the driver asked if I wanted a lift and I said I  preferred to walk, but thanks.  The driver yelled, &#8220;Let&#8217;s all give her a  hand folks, she&#8217;s started the Daniel Plan already!&#8221;  And the people on  the tram cheered.  Nevermind the fact that I have been walking my entire  life because I enjoy doing so, not because of some health and fitness  campaign.  I sensed I was entering a nightmare.</p>
<p>The main sanctuary was full &amp; it was standing room only.  They  told me the overflow areas were full too.  So I found a spot on the  patio outside the main sanctuary looking in.  I had a good view and  could see the stage perfectly.  Their outdoor sound system made it so I  could roam around, observe the audience, continue to listen to the guest  speakers, and take notes.</p>
<p>To begin, I&#8217;d like to state that Saturday Jan. 15th, 2011 will go down  in the history books as the day Saddleback Church was sold a bill of  goods.  The masses had come out in droves for answers to their weight  loss difficulties &amp; health problems, but unbeknownst to them, they  were being given a prescription for restructuring society &amp;  population control.</p>
<p>The prescription goes by the name Agenda 21, a.k.a. &#8220;Sustainable  Development&#8221; or &#8220;Smart Growth.&#8221;  Agenda 21 is a published document put  out by the United Nations with the intent to put limits on population  and to restructure nation-states into a global society. [3] Rick  Warren&#8217;s &#8220;new friends&#8221; had dubbed it, &#8220;The Daniel Plan &#8211; God&#8217;s  Prescription For Your Health.&#8221;  A more appropriate title would&#8217;ve  been, &#8221;Sustainable Living - Destroying Inalienable Rights, One Community  at a Time.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the time I settled into listening more intently, the second speaker,  Mark Hyman, began.  It didn&#8217;t take too long to figure out what the basis  of his message was.  We &#8221;need to heal with community&#8221; (he termed this  &#8220;accompaniment&#8221;), &#8220;we&#8217;re here for the sake of each other,&#8221; this plan &#8220;is  our way out,&#8221; this plan &#8220;saved me,&#8221; and in fact will &#8221;change the  world.&#8221;   Saddleback was being told they were a &#8220;test community&#8221; to show  the world how to live &#8220;healthy and sustainably.&#8221;  When I heard these  words, my heart sank.  It was as I&#8217;d feared.  I knew which buzzwords to  listen for, and he was hitting them all.  The audience was told  they would be champions in health to show the world what &#8220;living  sustainably&#8221; was all about, but Dr. Hyman is a leftist who is more than a  champion in health, he&#8217;s a change agent for the global elite, as is Dr.  Oz &amp; Dr. Amen.  Dr. Hyman is the founder and medical director of  the Ultra Wellness Center, he advises Dr. Oz&#8217;s healthcore group,  and he&#8217;s a nominee to President Obama&#8217;s advisory group on prevention,  health promotion, and integrative and public health. [4]  Hmmmmmm.  I  smell an agenda.</p>
<p>Dr. Hyman practices what&#8217;s known as &#8220;functional medicine,&#8221; which means  he uses a &#8220;whole systems&#8221; approach to medicine, in other words, he  practices medicine &#8221;wholistically.&#8221; This is also known as &#8220;Mind Body&#8221;  medicine.  At Saddleback&#8217;s seminar, &#8220;mind body&#8221; or &#8220;functional&#8221; medicine  was presented as if it&#8217;s completely scientific.  Any scientist worth  his salt will tell you that yes, the body can be measured  scientifically, but the mind falls into an  entirely different category which can never be measured by science.  As  stated by Dave Hunt in his book <em>Occult Invasion &#8211; The Subtle Seduction of the World and Church</em>,  &#8220;Physical science, by very definition, can make no judgements  concerning a nonphysical realm&#8221; as is the mind &amp; the soul. [5] In  other words, the mind and the soul are scientifically immeasurable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same with the religions of &#8221;Mind Science.&#8221;  Calling a religion  &#8220;Mind Science&#8221; or &#8220;Scientology,&#8221; when there&#8217;s nothing scientific about  it, is the same as calling a cereal &#8220;Grapenuts&#8221; when it contains no  grapes or nuts.  But we live in an era when the masses have been  sufficiently dumbed down and all it takes to impress is clever packaging  and branding.  If &#8220;they&#8221; say it&#8217;s science, then dog-gone-it, it&#8217;s  science!  After all, &#8220;these doctors are on television.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I sat through all 3 presentations by Dr.&#8217;s Hyman, Amen, &amp; Oz,  what came to mind were the traveling snake oil salesmen of the 1800&#8242;s.   They talk fast, so fast that the message that&#8217;s really being given, goes  right over people&#8217;s heads.  They used tactics to tug at the heart  strings such as videos of sick little girls who suddenly got well from  being on &#8220;the program&#8221; and have been &#8220;set free&#8221; from relying on  medications.  Then they flooded the audience with &#8220;facts&#8221; and  &#8220;statistics&#8221; to scare any grandmother, such as &#8220;a tsunami of disease is  hitting us,&#8221; &#8220;life expectancy is going down,&#8221; &#8220;1 out of 2 people are  diabetic or pre-diabetic,&#8221; &#8220;70% of all agricultural land is taken up by  growing animals to feed all the people,&#8221; &#8220;the bigger your body gets, the  more your brain shrinks,&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>I about fell off my chair when Dr. Hyman stated, &#8220;The key to the success  of the &#8220;Daniel Plan&#8221; is &#8220;group living&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;individuals&#8221; will not  succeed, our only hope lies in &#8220;community.&#8221;  And with that, it was  announced that the &#8220;Saddleback community&#8221; would be an example of  &#8220;sustainable living&#8221; and would set the course to &#8221;change this  world&#8221;&#8230;and the crowd went wild!  I have to admit that visions of the  masses being manipulated by Adolf Hitler&#8217;s oratory skills came to  my mind, only this particular crowd had just been manipulated by a  really bad infomercial.</p>
<p>Dr. Hyman said that he is a Jew, Dr. Amen is a Christian, and Dr. Oz is a  Muslim.  And doesn&#8217;t that represent the demographic of &#8220;most of the  population of the world?&#8221;  But then he said, &#8220;We&#8217;re all the same  underneath.&#8221;  True to his snake oil salesman fashion, Dr. Hyman didn&#8217;t  define his terms.  What in the world does he mean &#8220;we&#8217;re all the same  underneath&#8221;?  That can mean a number of things.  Since he was speaking  to a religious crowd, I&#8217;d venture to say some of the folks present took  that to mean we&#8217;re all children of God (Jews, Muslims, Christians,  Hindus, Buddhists, etc.), which is patently false according to the  Bible.  The Bible says there are only two groups, children of wrath and  children of God.  You&#8217;re either one or the other, a believer in Christ  Jesus, or a non-believer. We aren&#8217;t &#8220;all the same  underneath.&#8221; (Ephesians Ch. 2). [6]</p>
<p>The only way in which we&#8217;re &#8220;all the same underneath&#8221; is we&#8217;re all  sinners in need of a savior, and the savior isn&#8217;t &#8220;sustainable living.&#8221;   The Savior is Jesus Christ and He is the only way unto salvation. (John  14:6). [7]  And to become a child of God, Jesus said, &#8220;You must be born  again.&#8221; (John Ch. 3). [8]  The tragic thing about the talks given at  Saddleback is, Jesus was never mentioned&#8230;and I mean NEVER.  There  was a reference to Jesus in the opening worship song along with a few  passing references to God by Rick Warren.  Daniel Amen mentioned that  our bodies were &#8221;a temple of the Holy Spirit and the brain is the  innersanctum,&#8221; but in the lessons being taught that day, Jesus didn&#8217;t  make the cut, &#8220;sustainable lifestyles&#8221; &amp; &#8220;group living&#8221; did.</p>
<p>Following Dr. Hyman&#8217;s talk, my best friend arrived to observe the day  with me, only to hear Dr. Amen mention in his presentation that he did a  brain scan on one of his clients who had a habit of cheating on his  wife.  The brain scan showed that there were &#8220;holes in the pre-frontal  cortex of his brain&#8221; which controls the impulses.  In other words, this  man wasn&#8217;t sinful, he was &#8220;mentally ill.&#8221;  All he needed was to get on  the &#8220;Change Your Brain, Change Your Body&#8221; program, and his personal  struggles with sin were remedied.  Once again, Jesus was removed from  the equation.  My friend and I were dumbfounded when we listened to the  Saddleback crowd cheer.  My best friend couldn&#8217;t contain it any  longer and let out a, &#8220;You&#8217;ve got to be kidding me.&#8221;  My thoughts  exactly!</p>
<p>Dr. Hyman recommended yoga and meditation to the crowd.  Dr. Amen gave  a diplomatic denunciation of yoga (which is contradictory since he has  recommended it himself), but about five sentences later mentioned a  study done by a friend of his named Andy Newberg who did brain scans on  Tibetan nuns and Franciscan priests while in &#8220;prayer and contemplation&#8221;  and the study showed that &#8220;spiritual connection&#8221; is healthy.  Dr.  Amen has been an advocate of &#8221;Sa Ta Na Ma&#8221; meditation. [9]</p>
<p>If by chance any attendees of the Saddleback &#8220;Health and Fitness  Seminar&#8221; read this blog post, I encourage you to educate yourself about  what globalism truly is.  You also need to research Agenda 21.  As  stated earlier, the purpose of Agenda 21 is to restructure society.   Sounds conspiratorial, I know.  But it isn&#8217;t a conspiracy, it&#8217;s a  published document of the United Nations that&#8217;s in full swing.  Anywhere  you hear the terms, &#8220;Sustainable Development,&#8221; &#8220;sustainable living,&#8221;  &#8220;smart growth,&#8221; &#8220;going green,&#8221; etc., rest assured you&#8217;ve just been  exposed to the U.N.&#8217;s Agenda 21. [10]</p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t surprise us that Pastor Rick Warren would allow a seminar  of this nature at Saddleback, after all, he himself has &#8220;GONE GREEN.&#8221;  [11]  He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. [12]   This illustrates the natural progression of one being unequally yoked  with non-believers &amp; buying into heresies such as &#8221;Kingdom Now,&#8221;  &#8220;Dominionism,&#8221; or &#8221;Restoration Theology.&#8221;  Where these heresies  reign, as they do at Saddleback, you will find that the focus  subtly shifts from salvation in Christ alone, through faith alone, to  misguided efforts to restore mankind &amp; the earth through &#8220;community&#8221;  works, sustainable living, and social justice.  How convenient that  these just happen to be the vehicles which the United Nations is  using to further it&#8217;s own agenda to restructure society &amp; unite the  world under its governing body of global elites.</p>
<p><strong>TRUE TRUTH:</strong><br />
<strong>2 Timothy 4:3-4</strong><br />
<strong>&#8220;For the time will come when they will not endure sound  doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves  teachers, having itching ears; </strong><br />
<strong>And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>(I found it to be slightly humorous that, on page 9 of the booklet which  Saddleback passed out to attendees, the symptom of &#8220;itchy ears&#8221; was  listed in the &#8220;Medical Symptom/Toxicity Questionnaire&#8221;&#8230;oh, the irony!)</p>
<p>Endnotes:<br />
1. Genesis 11:4 &#8211; &#8220;Then they said, &#8216;Come, let us build ourselves a city,  with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name  for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>2. Genesis 3:4-5 &#8211; &#8220;You will not surely die,&#8221; the serpent said to the  woman.  &#8220;For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened,  and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Agenda 21 -<br />
<a href="http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/">http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/</a></p>
<p>4. Mark Hyman&#8217;s presentation at &#8220;Authors @ Google&#8221; titled, The UltraMind Solution: Healthy Body, Powerful Mind.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZVpsd2Nao">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZVpsd2Nao</a></p>
<p>5. <em>Occult Invasion &#8211; The Subtle Seduction of the World and the Church</em>, Dave Hunt, Harvest House Publishers 1998, pg. 61</p>
<p>6. Ephesians Ch. 2:1-5 &#8211; &#8220;And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;<br />
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world,  according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now  worketh in the children of disobedience:<br />
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts  of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and  were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.<br />
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,<br />
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved).&#8221;</p>
<p>7. John 14:6 &#8211; Jesus saith unto him, &#8220;I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>8. John 3:3 &#8211; Jesus answered and said unto him, &#8220;Verily, verily, I say  unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of  God.&#8221;</p>
<p>9. Dr. Amen recommends &#8220;Sa Ta Na Ma&#8221; meditation a form of Kirtin Kriya yoga.<br />
<a href="http://richardeward.com/kirtin-kriya-sa-ta-na-ma-meditation/">http://richardeward.com/kirtin-kriya-sa-ta-na-ma-meditation/</a></p>
<p>10. Agenda 21 &#8211; The U.N. Plan for Your Sustainable Community<br />
<a href="http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html">http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html</a></p>
<p>11. A Greener Spirit: Evangelicals Embrace &#8220;Creation Care&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://environment.change.org/blog/view/a_greener_spirit_evangelicals_embrace_creation_care">http://environment.change.org/blog/view/a_greener_spirit_evangelicals_embrace_creation_care</a></p>
<p>12. Council on Foreign Relations Membership Roster<br />
<a href="http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=W">http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=W</a></p>
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		<title>Rick Warren&#8217;s Controversial New Initiative</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rick Warren has been broadly criticized for both his alliances and his projects. His latest initiative, launched on January 15 at Saddleback, is almost certain to attract similar attention &#8211; not so much because of the issue itself, but because of those who are partnering with him. Jan Markell, over at Olive Tree Ministries, discusses [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h4><span style="color: #000080;"><strong><em>Rick Warren has been broadly criticized for both his alliances and his projects. His latest initiative, launched on January 15 at Saddleback, is almost certain to attract similar attention &#8211; not so much because of the issue itself, but because of those who are partnering with him.<br />
</em></strong></span></h4>
<p>Jan Markell, over at <a href="http://www.olivetreeviews.org/">Olive Tree Ministrie</a>s,  discusses this issue in her latest article which is featured in this  edition of the ABI Blog. I hope you will take a few moments to read this  important piece.<span style="color: #888888;"><em><br />
(This article is reproduced by permission of the author.)</em></span><br />
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by Jan Markell<br />
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<p>What on earth is Pastor Rick Warren thinking? I have avoided being harsh concerning Rick but on the issue I am about to outline, I must be blunt. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">A series of errors</span> is outlined below but the zinger following them is my focus.</p>
<p><em><strong>* </strong><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCfkF-CLTrX0ux7VWvJQHNWK8Wk483nUbcpLgGf5O7DxljkZ4ShtqGJC0svW75xs0ocbcRrPF9iYNy2fDtNGdo_DyebNeRubB-3Zz4qfmLILM9v16LIlq6Pvj3AsJz9X10J7-6N-X2S1CByfpgjgRWB" target="_blank"><strong>Praising</strong> Syria</a> for its religious freedom when it is an evil, repressive regime.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Perfecting</strong> church-growth efforts that even include synagogues, but what is missing in the process is the proclamation of the gospel. Warren&#8217;s church-growth plan focuses only on numbers.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Being a part of</strong> the leadership or board of advisors for questionable organizations such as the </em><em>World Economic Forum, </em><em>The Council on Foreign Relations, and </em><em><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCJ-LTJXv4e1mLcUVzYTqjHwf9KG60NSy7nzokK4HUicWOc4Px4mM-i9uDqPRuchGlabAGgA9vf5txlAzRtGX-GXmD81rTdMr532lEpqejLr8AudTCAGLFuGlyRSDZiMQwysoxSiqrLyaqDZuOq7zHL" target="_blank">Tony Blair&#8217;s Faith Foundation </a>which is a pagan, ecumenical outfit.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* </strong><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCPZb0ZswwVCYEGzoq-G9W2ip-S1cY6FtqhV3hzlUUvRAtBz58krhvpoGWIve0TkX5dcATWb5T3u_TYS5ROWJQlXCApDFVy0asmFueUdDvjWxcJYgki0m8REO2_vPeyB1aZR27xoNsKi5y1YH_DlHwXUIg-2o6VJyjyTlTtRAxWW_MPh2jqrhLtw9pAyWFqV_54XGod8bjsdaGE1LtxExKQyKSO4kDb6oo=" target="_blank"><strong>Speaking to</strong> the North American Islamic Society</a> in July  2009 but withholding the gospel from his message. This was another ecumenical effort.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Misquoting</strong> Jesus in </em><em>The Purpose Driven Life saying that He stated, &#8220;My return is none of your business&#8221; when, in fact, the Bible emphasizes that His return is our<a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcD6JhvOwcfZC29niXDN85aa3Yc_gmBpscXaKBqfnxZbCeH5u_boyNgwVW2C2BQ_F7JiwUQ39JgOihevjFJwhRWuW4Ew2CKI3viCYLpyldKwjZD9wkEdjDdRy8Sd48l2dIFUn71QtvUooYzn582xvBqb0JEDXDTw5EHAWSlYIO8CofbgxR8cv1gO" target="_blank"> blessed hope. </a>The Bible encourages us to watch and pray for His return. This theme consumes more than one-third of the Bible.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Embracing</strong> the false theology of </em><em>Kingdom Now/</em><em>Dominion eschatology which says the church will save the world through Pastor Warren&#8217;s global P.E.A.C.E. plan, global AIDS&#8217; efforts, etc. This is raging through evangelicalism and is a delusion, as we are on a cursed planet that only Christ&#8217;s return can save.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Underplaying</strong> the issues of hell, sin, repentance, etc., in his book and other global platforms he has been given.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcA8S_JfN9G7m1WQmEno3PODjcKURwG8GlF_QmGVrwsMNuM3I3U98waYPuzLZc_cfyV7HNyIg0RsT-kj6lDuPjw-Z_M8O_ub1w8u_DMNvEiPGpCktObz73KTgJ0iSumUmJA=" target="_blank">Because of a new effort launched January 15 </a>at Saddleback Church, I join the voices of vocal critics.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">He has put the souls and lives of his people and millions more in danger.  I do not know his motive. Last Saturday he launched a year-long effort to get his congregation and himself in shape. You can hear and read about it on the <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcB2-Q1dD4aw3bzd6dHP-f13i1kEdKxFIEl7uCNor1iTrDnJigtW8fQZ_5bQSrtsHgWJNK7WOrqys8HnnYvWgRwjZXYyJoTg3a4f6jsuD86zeg==" target="_blank">Saddleback Web site</a>:</span> &#8220;God&#8217;s prescription for your health. Be a part of this transformational debut to be a healthier you! We&#8217;ll hear from world-renowned doctors on a plan to get healthy and stay that way in the new decade.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who are &#8220;the world-renowned doctors&#8221; who have designed this program just for Saddleback Church? Men who are blatant promoters of Eastern mystical practices. Let me elaborate.</p>
<p>Best-selling author <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcDbIVZzI-fdagbpvD0F9aTlIbZaz55FX_aXegOG_9CNC1Joxa0L3yfam9aEnP41XpBSahygkzQ6OUYdeRkCuvzGnjxkreXvDs_8sR09wR2WUhJULq5Y8RTwIO2iV2Q7N-M=" target="_blank">Dr. Richard Amen</a> is a professor of psychiatry and teaches <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Eastern religious meditation and New Age<a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcAPiqWFdbGR-iobBxKqJXTAAfSQpoCEuilAy6hfKJXSm4mx6CSIBTs3VNkQJu6N-g4f0nre3KsazicSH190IoigG9y44lUoTR5rBVoP_3jPtPqZd9pqvaae9aTBUKL-bfC-W1-oha8TfWMQZkUG4I502RByGs7v7fI=" target="_blank"> energy-based Reiki.</a></span> You can hear Rick and Dr. Amen interacting on the <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcB2-Q1dD4aw3bzd6dHP-f13i1kEdKxFIEl7uCNor1iTrDnJigtW8fQZ_5bQSrtsHgWJNK7WOrqys8HnnYvWgRwjZXYyJoTg3a4f6jsuD86zeg==" target="_blank">Saddleback Web site</a>. On page 238 of Amen&#8217;s book,<em> Making a Good Brain Great,</em> he states, &#8220;I recommend an active form of Yoga meditation called Krya Kirtan. It is based on five primal sounds.&#8221; He advocates repeating these sounds daily for 12 minutes.</p>
<p><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCP5RuNy9nUCo1vCh9v3m7qH7WqgI7qOi1aEcCxrScqwKZ_Qonqgbx6Yp7eYhybap7ll6OsEySlirDbvS2ennT9PUcJjjuzCJA=" target="_blank">Dr. Mark Hyman </a>is a four-time New York Times best-selling author who again <span style="text-decoration: underline;">promotes mystical meditation based on Buddhist principles</span>. In his book, <em>The Ultramind Solution</em>, Hyman emphasizes meditation, saying it doesn&#8217;t matter what religion one is &#8212; all will benefit from it (p. 322). He praises the practice perfected by Buddhists (p. 384).<a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcAPArkCh3PItyraxcoJkW0zyehUnWft9JRgkVDJ0PWeIYu41A7UOoWWka1U84HQVPUrV6sBiFtqIpJxgnP83NL2N-vas6IBdqvEqSFsNcwf8g==" target="_blank"></a></p>
<p><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcAPArkCh3PItyraxcoJkW0zyehUnWft9JRgkVDJ0PWeIYu41A7UOoWWka1U84HQVPUrV6sBiFtqIpJxgnP83NL2N-vas6IBdqvEqSFsNcwf8g==" target="_blank">Dr. Mehmet Oz </a><span style="text-decoration: underline;">is a promoter of Reiki and Transcendental Meditation.</span> Oz says he is also inspired by <em>Emmanuel Swedenborg, an 18th century cult founder who taught that all religions lead to God. Swedenborg denied all orthodox Christian beliefs. There are many followers of the cult of Swedenborgism today.</em></p>
<p>What is Pastor Warren&#8217;s comment on the character of his three guests? &#8220;I am honored to be partnering with these internationally distinguished health experts.&#8221; Has he no understanding that putting into practice the various procedures they teach will put his congregation in great jeopardy?</p>
<p>Is the deception that great today? <span style="text-decoration: underline;">And what about the tens of thousands of churches who align with Saddleback? Will they get on board as well, putting millions of Christian&#8217;s souls and lives at stake?</span> How many demons are lurking around the wicked practices of Transcendental Meditation, Reiki,Yoga, and similar Eastern traditions?</p>
<p>As apologist <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcA2dfn4Hm2YNDtWNv0-pkWcTBN5_ZkZksA2puLR_bBAMGrwt4ygVepYVTdRQm2Wq7SHNhKlojMtOHZu9kuMMh9SMK2iq8RHHwpkLX9N-KzPTA==" target="_blank">Eric Barger</a> says, &#8220;Among the most troubling aspects of Warren&#8217;s progression are his alliances. When the most visible Christian leader of our day rubs shoulders with and aids the causes of assorted globalists, New Agers, Muslims, and now looks to one who is inspired by cultist Emanuel Swedenborg, the results are devastating. When leaders decide to reject discernment in favor of ecumenism, then innocent, unsuspecting people are, in effect, targeted by Satan&#8217;s unrelenting plan to move the church away from the truth of God&#8217;s Word. This is a perfect example of why following men, instead of the Bible, is a dangerous proposition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rick Warren says, &#8220;Americans are getting fatter and fatter and we must do something.&#8221; This seems a strange cause for a man some call &#8216;America&#8217;s pastor.&#8217; <strong>Shouldn&#8217;t our burden as evangelicals be the leanness of the soul and not the body?</strong> Equally perplexing is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">why his church leaders and members are fine with this year-long effort to glorify men who promote Eastern mysticism and other practices that are ungodly.</span></p>
<p>Ministry leaders have to choose our battles. Criticizing Christian leaders causes us distress and results in the loss of supporters, donations, churches, and even friends.  We are called every name imaginable so understand that <span style="text-decoration: underline;">contending for the faith costs everything.</span> But contending isn&#8217;t an option. It&#8217;s a commandment in <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCwRz3rV_mfRkpDWxOMN5mIcXGwMLy1ytQuHtspRP4veFtJwvvv87WpqG4MFGmFAut8ZqVyYsj_JgW9Dae2E6Q6bnbdbbzuMqaeZkujGjqKAU9XbqKq_B4qJm5oE21uRWrn1Op73YU3YxrQ-qIsIR8vB1RMotTXFMv7_bXw85QQWdeqeg9FSA0t" target="_blank">Jude 3.</a> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"> Saddleback Church is now presenting a different gospel via the three doctors who will speak into the lives of many for one full year. These men will be affirmed by Pastor Rick Warren. </span>There will be damage.</p>
<p>If some do not sound a warning, millions will be swept up in a program that could cause far more damage than obesity could ever do. <strong>The gods represented by the three doctors are after souls. They are gods who lead people away from eternal life in heaven and target souls for a Godless eternity. We cannot be silent no matter what the cost is to the critics.</strong></p>
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<p>Pray for Pastor Rick Warren and his church leaders. The program launched last weekend could be stopped by the leadership if they would grasp the offense of this effort.<strong> </strong></p>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Barreca</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Theological and Historical Response to the Contemporary Home Church Movement By Paul Barreca Pastor, Faith Bible Church, Vineland, NJ ABI Co-founder A recent Associate Press article highlighted a trend among Christians to leave their churches and worship at home instead. (1) Sometimes called Organic Church, Missional Church or House Church, this movement appeals to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3><span style="color: #61769e;"><em>A Theological and Historical Response to the Contemporary Home Church Movement</em></span></h3>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>By Paul Barreca</strong><br />
Pastor, Faith Bible Church, Vineland, NJ<br />
ABI Co-founder</span></h5>
<p>A recent Associate Press article highlighted a trend among Christians to leave their churches and worship at home instead. (1) Sometimes called Organic Church, Missional Church or House Church, this movement appeals to many who have grown dissatisfied with the corporate and impersonal nature of many American churches. Propelled by books such as Pagan Christianity (Frank Viola and George Barna), Life After Church (Brian Sanders) and They Like Jesus but Not the Church (Dan Kimball), some Christians urge that the only legitimate form of worship is a small, non-institutional gathering. They claim to have re-discovered the true origins of Christian worship. On one extreme are the cultic teachings of Harold Camping, who advocates leaving the church because the church age has ended. More moderate examples include believers who have dropped out of their local church because of theological decay, an emphasis on methodology, and corrupt leadership. As we will discover, some illegitimately transfer these accusations to their church as they excuse themselves from its structure and accountability.</p>
<p>Some proponents of the house church idea foresee the demise of the church as we know it.</p>
<blockquote><p>“Unless the church in North America makes big changes we are facing sure death, (Reggie McNealy, Missional Church Network).</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>“American Christianity is dying. Our future is in serious jeopardy. We are deathly ill and don’t even know it,” (Neil Cole, “Organic Church”).</p></blockquote>
<p>Noted church statistician George Barna wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>“If the local church is the hope of the world, then the world has no hope.” “Local churches have virtually no influence in our culture&#8230; The church appears among entities that have little or no influence on society.” (2)</p></blockquote>
<p>Because this trend emphasizes independence, it is difficult to estimate the number of American Christians that worship in this manner. A recent Barna study demonstrates a variety of responses. When Christians were asked whether they attended a religious service in the past month in a place other than a church, approximately 24% said “yes.” However, when asked if “you participate in such a group, sometimes known as a house church or simple church, that is not associated in any way with a local, congregational type of church?” the response dropped to somewhere between 3% &#8211; 6%. (3) This statistic reveals that while gatherings such as home Bible studies are popular, the number of Christians who have left their local church is still fairly small. However, this movement is very attractive to Americans who have been raised on a strong diet of anti-institutional free thinking. Our cultural focus on independence and our resistance to authority may very well mean that the house church movement will grow in the days ahead.</p>
<p>Some of the criticisms that cause people to leave their church are valid. We are living in a time when many churches have neglected the gospel and turned their focus on numeric growth by becoming more culturally relevant. Churches have compromised the gospel with bad theology and scintillating antics meant to draw a crowd. Everything from crass talks on sex, to reviews of raunchy movies are common fare in many churches. The response from some believers is to abandon the church all together, but this is throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water. While there are a growing number of churches that have abandoned the gospel, not all churches have followed the errors of our day.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;"><br />
When the Church Began</span></h3>
<p>Buildings dedicated exclusively for Christian worship did not come along until Emperor Constantine proclaimed Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire in 325 AD. Before that, Christians worshiped in homes or public gathering places. This was not because worshiping in a home is a better way to worship. It was simply the only way to worship. During this period, Christians were persecuted by the Jews in their synagogues, and by the Romans through a series of local and empire-wide persecutions. Scripture gives us some indication regarding the places where believers met.</p>
<p><strong>Homes. </strong>Aquila and Priscilla led a church gathering that met in their house (1 Corinthians 16:19; Romans 16:5). Colossians 4:15 also indicates a church meeting in a home. But we ought not assume that this was a gathering of only a few people. The most likely place for Christians to meet would have been in a large home, rooftop or courtyard. Some Mediterranean homes were large one-family dwellings up to four stories high. (4) Architecture in this warm climate emphasized open air courtyards where large gatherings were held. Some homes could easily accommodate an assembly of up to 100 people, and it is possible that church meetings in such houses could have been at least that large. (5) Their purpose for meeting in homes was not a statement against organization or buildings. Churches during this time were carefully structured and included discipline, elders, and mission endeavors. <em>They were not the casual, free flowing meetings that are common in today’s American version of the house church. Pau</em>l’s missionary journeys were organized by the church in Antioch. Paul’s greeting in Romans 16 includes a tally of 28 individuals with at least three entire households included in the Roman church. If these people met in a home it would have been a church of at least 50 people. They met in homes out of necessity. As Kevin DeYoung writes, “They didn’t meet in homes in an effort to start the world’s first nonreligious religion.” (6)</p>
<p>The New Testament contains examples of places other than homes where the believers met. This reinforces the idea that they met where it was most convenient and practical. Other New Testament meeting places include the following:</p>
<p><strong>Solomon’s Colonnade:</strong> Acts 5:12 (7) The apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders among the people. And all the believers used to meet together in Solomon’s Colonnade.</p>
<p><strong>The Hall of Tyrannus:</strong> Acts 19:9–10 So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus. This went on for two years, so that all the Jews and Greeks who lived in the province of Asia heard the word of the Lord.<br />
The Synagogue. James 2:2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. The word “meeting” is a translation of the Greek word for Synagogue. It is possible that the majority of Jews at this location, or at least the synagogue leaders trusted Christ and their synagogue continued to be their place of worship.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;">The Beginning of Church Buildings</span></h3>
<p>Church historian Everett Ferguson gives us insight concerning the move to public buildings. “With the Constantinian peace, church buildings became public monuments, and the basilica type predominated. (This type of building) was widely used in Hellenistic and imperial times for both private and public purposes: as audience halls in homes of the wealthy and of the imperial officials, as law courts and exchange buildings on the forums, and as gathering places in the larger baths.” (9) Once it became legal to meet publicly, churches quickly utilized commonly available spaces, allowing their outreach to expand and the church to grow. This practice has been widely followed in various cultures throughout church history.</p>
<p>Today there are many places in the world where Christians meet in homes because they are not permitted to meet publicly. Under these circumstances, there is no alternative other than a house church. Missionary Kevin King reaches many Chinese students through his ministry at Columbia University in New York City. Those who trust Christ are directed to a house church that Kevin leads. He does this because he wants to provide a reproducible form of church worship that they can carry with them when they return to China. Since independent churches in China are not permitted to hold public meetings, Kevin’s example of a house church is the best way for them to learn how to lead a church in their native country.</p>
<p>Churches that meet in homes are also an important part of inner city evangelism. Many new churches begin in a home. But the fact that many churches meet in homes does not mean that every church must meet in a home. This is reductionism. Those who advocate the house church as the only legitimate way seem to be suggesting that most congregations over the past 2,000 years have been worshiping the wrong way. Such a suggestion is very misguided. By their insistence on house churches only, they silently accuse millions of Christians around the world of worshiping in the wrong way. Thanks to their superior enlightenment, the rest of us can be freed from our ignorance if we see the light as they have.<br />
New Testament principles for the local church do not focus on the form of worship, or the location of worship. These have varied from time to time and culture to culture. Rather than determining whether a group is a legitimate church by virtue of where they meet, we should examine the validity of a church according to whether it meets the requirements of the New Testament. It is by these standards that many groups meeting in homes today cannot accurately be described as fulfilling the criteria of a New Testament church.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;"> The Essentials of the Church</span></h3>
<p>1.    <strong>Properly-appointed godly elders:</strong> Nowhere in Scripture do we find self-appointed elders. Leadership must be approved by existing leadership. Every New Testament church was led by elders, and we must insist that our churches today follow the same guidelines. Churches must be led by men whose calling has been verified by other elders. Mission and church planting endeavors must have the support and backing of a church where biblical eldership is present. This continuity of leadership is essential to maintain the “faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (Jude 3).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">a.    Titus 1:5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.<br />
b.    1 Peter 5:2–3 Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, serving as overseers—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; 3 not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.</p>
<p>2.    <strong>Willing followers:</strong> A church must have followers who submit to spiritual leadership of its elders (pastors). Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.</p>
<p>3.    <strong>The preaching of the gospel:</strong> Galatians 1:9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!</p>
<p>4.    <strong>Teaching that produces mature disciples:</strong> Matthew 28:19–20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”</p>
<p>5.    <strong>Ministry through spiritual gifts:</strong> The body of Christ is diverse. Each part needs the others. Rather than isolation, the body principle emphasizes cooperation and mutual edification, as we are instructed in Romans 12:5–6, “so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.”</p>
<p>6.    <strong>Faithful administration of the ordinances:</strong> The church is required to conduct the ordinances of Christian baptism and the Lord’s Supper.</p>
<p>7.    <strong>God-centered worship:</strong> The Lord calls us “a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” Public worship is the delight and privilege of God’s people.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;"><br />
Conclusion</span></h3>
<p>The location where a church meets does not determine whether or not it is a legitimate church, or whether or not it is worshiping properly. There are Christian gatherings that meet in homes on Sunday which are not a legitimate churches. And there are groups that meet in ornate buildings with a cross and a steeple who are devoid of spiritual life and do not proclaim the Truth of the gospel.</p>
<p>Some who advocate the house church concept have a misunderstanding of the New Testament examples of house churches. They also oversimplify the problems in the church today and transfer the guilt of some churches which meet in buildings onto all churches which meet in buildings. Pastor Kevin DeYoung responds to the criticism of what house church advocate Frank Viola calls the organized church by writing, “the church is always deserving of some critique, or even a lot of critique at times, but isn’t it a bit sweeping to declare that “everything that is done in our contemporary churches has no basis in the Bible?” We should not disqualify all churches because of the gross failures of some.</p>
<p>For some believers around the world, the house church is the best, and often the only way to conduct corporate worship, teaching and the administration of the Christian ordinances. This will most likely continue until the Lord returns. There may even come a time in what was once “Christian America” where full-fledged persecution may force the closure of public church gatherings. That day has not yet come, but if it does, God’s people will continue to worship in whatever location the Lord provides.</p>
<p>We live in a culture that emphasizes isolation and independence. Many people seldom come out of their homes. Public interaction is avoided by many people who plug in their ear buds, roll up their windows, close their doors, shop online and remain in the comfort of their modern American homes More and more, we are being drawn into our own exclusive bubble of isolation. We need one another, in spite of our weaknesses, peculiarities, and failures. When there are disagreements, the Lord gives us Scriptural guidelines to resolve them. Unless your local church is teaching false doctrine or embracing sin, leaving it is not the best way to honor the Lord and encourage the body. The Lord Jesus died for the church and will return to bring her to glory. Until then, we should honor His body, the church, and embrace every opportunity to promote it’s growth.</p>
<p>____________________</p>
<p>1. Linda Stewart Ball, “House Church &#8211; Skip the Sermon, Worship at Home.” The Associated Press, Wed Jul 21, 2010, accessed August 12, 2010 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100721/ap_on_re/us_rel_religion</p>
<p>2. Quotations from Kevin DeYoung and Ted Kluck, Why We Love the Church (Chicago: Moody Press, 2009), 26-27.</p>
<p>3. The Barna Group, “How Many People Really Attend a House Church?” http://www.barna.org/organic-church-articles/291-how-many-people-really-attend-a-house-church-barna-study-finds-it-depends-on-the-definition accessed August 13, 2010</p>
<p>4. Everett Ferguson, Backgrounds of Early Christianity (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1987), 128.</p>
<p>5. DeYoung, 120.</p>
<p>6. Ibid, 120.</p>
<p>7. Scriptures taken from the Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV®. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by Biblica, Inc.™ Used by permission of Zondervan. All rights reserved worldwide. www.zondervan.com.</p>
<p>8. Fergusson, 129.</p>
<p>9. DeYoung, 117.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Barreca is one of the co-founders of The Alliance for Biblical Integrity. He is the pastor of Faith Bible Church in Vineland, New Jersey. What’s a Church to Do? A Word to Pastors. By Paul Barreca How should churches respond to the crisis in Haiti? No further reminders of the devastation are necessary. Anyone [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Paul Barreca is one of the co-founders of The Alliance for Biblical Integrity. He is the pastor of Faith Bible Church in Vineland, New Jersey.</em></p>
<p><strong>What’s a Church to Do?  A Word to Pastors.<br />
</strong><em>By Paul Barreca</em><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>How should churches respond to the crisis in Haiti?  No further reminders of the devastation are necessary.  Anyone with internet or television access knows that the poorest nation in the western hemisphere is in the throes of incomprehensible human suffering.</p>
<p>As churches gather Sunday, every member will have been moved by the images and news from Haiti.  They will want to know “how do Christians respond when there is a need so desperate as this?”  Christians should be moved with the same compassion for the world that was demonstrated by Jesus.  Only the most uncaring and detached would be able to simply ignore these needs. Although Pat Robertson also encouraged meeting the needs of the people, his commentary was not helpful when he said the earthquake was the result of a curse upon Haiti because of a pact with the devil.  Rather than providing a biblical response with theological clarity, these kinds of remarks only serve to give the impression to many that born-again believers are callous and ignorant.</p>
<p>Bible-believing Christians are deeply concerned with sharing the gospel as Christ commanded.  We understand the dangers of the social gospel which tends to confuse meeting physical needs with the biblical balance that necessarily includes meeting spiritual needs. We are committed to efforts that are comprehensive and gospel-centered. We need not allow the priority of presenting the gospel message interfere with the priority of Christian compassion. Churches that fail to respond to known crises in their communities or the world eventually lose their platform for sharing the gospel.</p>
<p>Here are three suggestions that offer God’s people an opportunity to respond with genuine Christian compassion.</p>
<p>1.	PRAY:  Spend time this Sunday in prayer for the people of Haiti. Corporate prayer is an important part of our worship.  It also serves as a model that members can follow in their private prayer times.</p>
<p>2.	GIVE:  Encourage members to give through your local church. This strengthens the testimony behind these gifts and provides a positive way for believers to respond to the crisis.  Designate these gifts to a Christian organization with a sound reputation to provide help in the name of Christ and with the accompanying message of salvation.  ABI has links to two recommended ministries organizing disaster relief funds.</p>
<p>3.	SEND:  The Lord can use the stirring of our hearts as part of His call to missions.  Encourage medical personnel to go now, with your church’s support.  Discuss the possibility of a church work team to travel to Haiti later this year to help rebuild a hospital, church or mission.  Right now, security, medical and basic human needs like clothing, food and shelter are the highest priorities. But construction and rebuilding will go on for years to come.  If it is practically impossible to send someone now, then begin plans to send a team in the future.  Haiti is just one of many third world countries in desperate need of the gospel and the most basic of necessities.  The pictures, stories and attention should focus us on meeting those needs.</p>
<p>Each church may respond in a different way, but a response at some level is entirely appropriate.  As noted before, the responsibility to meet spiritual needs with the gospel message does not exclude the necessity of meeting physical needs.  If food and medicine does not quickly arrive in Haiti, many will perish and the opportunity to reach those souls with the gospel will be forever lost.</p>
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		<title>Manhattan Declaration: A Response &#8211; Part I</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(An article combining this post and the previous one on the Manhattan Declaration is available in downloadable and printable PDF, 2-column article format: Click here to download) . A week ago today, the Manhattan Declaration was released by Chuck Colson and almost 150 other signers at the National Press Conference. Since then there have been [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #888888;"><em>(An article combining this post and the previous one on the Manhattan Declaration is available in downloadable and printable PDF, 2-column  article format: <a href="http://www.biblicalintegrity.org/ABI_Report_2009-11-28_Manhattan_Declaration_Evaluation.pdf" target="_blank">Click here to download</a>)</em></span></p>
<div id="attachment_322" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 235px"><img class=" " style="border: 5px solid black;" title="Manhattan 01" src="http://www.biblicalintegrity.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Manhattan-01-225x300.gif" alt="National Press Conference" width="225" height="300" /><p class="wp-caption-text">National Press Conference</p></div>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;">.</span></p>
<p>A week ago today, the <a href="http://manhattandeclaration.org/images/content/ManhattanDeclaration.pdf" target="_blank"><em>Manhattan Declaration</em></a> was released by Chuck Colson and almost 150 other signers at the National Press Conference. Since then there have been countless blogs and articles written about the 4700-word document and the response has been quite mixed.</p>
<p>Predictably, it has been denounced by liberals of all stripes who support the LGBT agenda and who advocate &#8220;a woman&#8217;s right to choose.&#8221; But neither has it been received well by those who would consider themselves to be evangelicals, but who also challenge the historical view that the Bible condemns homosexual behavior.</p>
<p>In contrast, a significant number of Christians have enthusiastically embraced the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em>. with the number of signers via the internet now at <a href="http://manhattandeclaration.org/" target="_blank">184,780</a> and counting. They have joined the original signatories in voicing their concern that as America continues its turn to the left, led by the present administration, they are prepared to take a stand to protect life, marriage and religious liberty.</p>
<p>Yet, another view has been expressed by some Christians who have not signed the Manhattan Declaration. In this view, the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> is itself a cause for concern, being seen as a misguided ecumenical cooperative effort that conservative evangelicals would do well to avoid. John MacArthur has written <a href="http://www.shepherdsfellowship.org/pulpit/Posts.aspx?ID=4444" target="_blank">a cogent blog</a> from this perspective.</p>
<p>To make matters more confusing for the average evangelical believer, it must be noted that there are good, solid, conservative theologians on both sides of the issue. This would tend to indicate that whatever our personal opinion might be, the &#8220;correct&#8221; response is probably not as obvious nor as certain as we might hope or desire.  So, after a week of reading, talking, thinking and praying, I&#8217;m going to take my own stab at evaluating the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> and developing a framework of principles for responding to this document, as well as the overall situation that precipitated it.</p>
<p style="direction: ltr;">First, I would say that overall the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> is a carefully crafted, well-worded document. It was obviously written out of both passion and conviction. It would be difficult to fault the drafters in their intentions or desire to make a difference in the &#8220;culture wars.&#8221;</p>
<div id="attachment_324" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-full wp-image-324 " style="border: 5px solid black;" title="Manhattan 02" src="http://www.biblicalintegrity.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Manhattan-02.gif" alt="Manhattan 02" width="300" height="200" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Manhattan Declaration</p></div>
<p style="direction: ltr;">Second, I think all who truly believe in the authority of Scripture should agree with the framers of the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> concerning the three specific issues it addresses, namely, <em>life</em>, <em>marriage </em>and <em>religious liberty</em>. It affirms that life begins at conception and should be allowed to continue until natural death (Exodus 20:13; Job 1:21; Psalm 139:12, 16; Jeremiah 1:14). It affirms that marriage was instituted by God to be solely between a man and a woman and that sexual relations are to be only within that relationship (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:5,6; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). And it affirms the principle of religious liberty which seems to be legitimately rooted in the truth of  Matthew 22:21 (&#8220;Render unto Caesar&#8230;and to God&#8230;&#8221;) and Acts 5:29 (&#8220;We ought to obey God rather than men.&#8221;)</p>
<p style="direction: ltr;">And third, I believe that as American citizens we have a legal right and a moral responsibili<span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">ty to participate in the democratic process in upholding and preserving the rights we have as guaranteed by the Constitution, as well as the ideals upon which this country was founded.</span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr;"><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">It could be argued that the Moral Majority, founded by Jerry Falwell in 1979, provides an historic backdrop and precedent for the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em>. The Moral Majority became the politically active extension of the Christian Right, which was riding the wave of the resurging political conservatism that swept Ronald Reagan into office in 1980. The Moral Majority sought to gain an influence in governmental policies and legislation, such that they would reflect or at least not contradict Christian morality &#8211; and thereby broadly shape, influence and guide the direction of American society as a whole.</span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr;"><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US"> A demographic map of the United States shows that geographically the entire country continues to be overwhelmingly conservative &#8211; both politically and socially. And this conservatism is certainly not limited to evangelical Christians. Therefore, it was considered expedient and prudent to be as broadly inclusive as possible to maximize the potential political influence of the movement. This meant that the Moral Majority consisted of not only conservative evangelicals, but virtually all types of conservative Protestants, Catholics, Jews and even Mormons who joined forces for the purpose of advocating common moral values with a unified voice. </span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr;"><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">Probably the most common argument in favor of evangelicals joining together </span><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">with those from Catholic and Orthodox traditions </span><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">in s</span><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">igning the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em></span><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US"> follows that used to defend the Moral Majority in the face of similar criticism. In this view, it is argued that because we share a common moral heritage with other theological traditions within Christendom, we can and should join together as allies in the culture wars against the common enemy of those morals. Therefore, the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> is hailed as an opportunity </span><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">for those who name the name of Christ</span><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US"> to fulfill a long-neglected obligation to engage and even confront a society and an administration that is increasingly liberal, secular and humanist &#8211; and even anti-Christian in its bias. Looking at it this way, it is understandable why, as I noted earlier, many concerned Americans have already signed the document and I would assume that many have been conservative evangelicals. </span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr;"><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">However, I have not yet signed it myself </span><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">because I have some questions and concerns about both the nature and the value of the Manhattan Declaration. At the risk of being dismissed, ridiculed or criticized as being too picky, too narrow-minded, divisive or just overly critical, I am going to present what I believe are some significant reasons why a born-again believer should consider not endorsing or signing the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em>.</span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr;"><span style="direction: ltr;" lang="en-US">The <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> begins with these words:</span></p>
<blockquote><p>Christians are heirs of a 2,000year tradition of proclaiming God’s word</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a statement of exclusivity, identifying the framers of the document as &#8220;Christians&#8221; as opposed to adherents of any of the other world religions. It is also intended to reflect Christian values and morals. As such, it must necessarily be viewed as an inherently <em>Christian</em> document. Consider the following quotes from the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>we claim the heritage of those Christians  Christian monasteries preserved not only the Bible but also the literature and art of Western culture  It was Christians who combated the evil of slavery  Christians today are called to proclaim the Gospel of costly grace, to protect the intrinsic dignity of the human person and to stand for the common good  We are Christians who have joined together across historic lines of ecclesial differences to affirm our right—and, more importantly, to embrace our obligation—to speak and act in defense of these truths</p></blockquote>
<p>Therefore, the writers of the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> present it as a document by Christians on behalf of Christians. And as a Christian document, it discusses the issues of life and marriage within a framework of Christian morality. It derives its authority to speak about these moral issues from the Bible. The <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> reflects a very specific worldview which is informed by very specific theology. Therefore, not only is it a Christian document, it is first and foremost an inherently theological document &#8211; or at least theologically-driven. This point is extremely important to the discussion because for some, the defense of cooperation with Catholic and Orthodox writers and signers depends largely upon the validity of the argument that the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> isn&#8217;t a theological document. If true, then it could be argued that theological differences are irrelevant to the task at hand and cooperation is not an example of unbiblical ecumenism.  But, again, it is a Christian document and is therefore a theological document by nature. And being a theological document, not only does theology under-gird the moral argument set forth in the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em>, theology also forms the basis for what the writers consider to be their essential unity as a group. This is clearly reflected in the first paragraph under the <em>Declaration</em> section:</p>
<blockquote><p>We, as Orthodox, Catholic, and Evangelical Christians, have gathered, beginning in New York on September 28, 2009, to make the  following declaration, which we sign as individuals, not on behalf of our organizations, but speaking to and from our communities. We act together in obedience to the one true God, the triune God of holiness and love, who has laid total claim on our lives and by that claim calls us with believers in all ages and all nations to seek and defend the good of all who bear his image.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is important to not miss the significance of this statement. When one discusses Judaism, Islam, or Hinduism for example, these are treated as <em>world religions.</em> And, of course, Christianity can be spoken of as a world religion, as well. But there is an important and fundamental distinction that must be remembered: A Christian in the biblical sense of the term does not merely mean someone who is an adherent of Christianity as a world religion. For someone to become a true Muslim, a person must simply make a decision to follow the teachings of Islam and live accordingly. However, the same is not true for biblical Christianity. For someone to become a true Christian, they must explicitly place their faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ and thereby be born-again of the Spirit of God. Someone does not become a Christian by merely adopting Christian traditions or by beginning to live a Christian lifestyle &#8211; or even by faithfully following the teachings of Christ.  In 1994, Chuck Colson was involved with drafting the first Evangelicals and Catholics Together document. That document blurs and actually eliminates the distinction between Christians in the world-religion sense and Christians in the biblical sense, such that it seems clear that Mr. Colson considers the two as not only intersecting, but as synonymous as indicated by the next three quotes from the first ECT document:</p>
<blockquote><p>As we near the Third Millennium, there are approximately 1.7 billion Christians in the world. About a billion of these are Catholics and more than 300 million are Evangelical Protestants.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>We are Evangelical Protestants and Roman Catholics who have been led through prayer, study, and discussion to common convictions about Christian faith and mission.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>All who accept Christ as Lord and Savior are brothers and sisters in Christ. Evangelicals and Catholics are brothers and sisters in Christ.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some may argue, however, that the two documents are fundamentally different in scope and purpose and therefore should not be compared or evaluated in this way. Yet, the essential philosophical /theological similarities between the two documents cannot be ignored because they reflect the broader philosophy out of which they were formulated:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>Manhattan Declaration:</strong> </em>We, as Orthodox, Catholic, and Evangelical Christians, have gathered, beginning in New York on September 28, 2009, to make the following declaration, which we sign as individuals, not on behalf of our organizations, but speaking to and from our communities.  <strong><em>First ECT document:</em></strong> We are Evangelical Protestants and Roman Catholics who have been led through prayer, study, and discussion to common convictions about Christian faith and mission. This statement cannot speak officially for our communities. It does intend to speak responsibly from our communities and to our communities.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Manhattan Declaration:</em> </strong>We are Christians who have joined together across historic lines of ecclesial differences to affirm our right—and, more importantly, to embrace our obligation—to speak and act in defense of these truths. We pledge to each other, and to our fellow believers, that no power on earth, be it cultural or political, will intimidate us into silence or acquiescence. It is our duty to proclaim the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in its fullness, both in season and out of season. May God help us not to fail in that duty.  <strong><em>First ECT document:</em></strong> There is a necessary connection between the visible unity of Christians and the mission of the one Christ. We together pray for the fulfillment of the prayer of Our Lord: &#8220;May they all be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, so also may they be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.&#8221; (John 17) We together, Evangelicals and Catholics, confess our sins against the unity that Christ intends for all his disciples. The one Christ and one mission includes many other Christians, notably the Eastern Orthodox and those Protestants not commonly identified as Evangelical. All Christians are encompassed in the prayer, &#8220;May they all be one.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems appropriate to suggest that some  important linkage does exist between the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em> and the ECT document and that this linkage is intentional and by design. This shouldn&#8217;t be surprising given Mr. Colson&#8217;s key role in the formation of both documents.  Given that the purpose of the ECT document is inherently ecumenical, it seems reasonable to more carefully explore the potential ecumenical issues raised directly by the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em>. Likewise it seems reasonable to at least examine whether or not those issues might be sufficient to give legitimate reasons for withholding support and participation in the  <em>Manhattan Declaration.</em> I will conclude my response to the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em>, in a couple of days and try to make a case for why Christians should or should not be involved with this initiative or others like it. It doesn&#8217;t seem that there is a one-size-fits-all answer, but I can discuss general principles related to the role of Christians in government and political activism.  Can and should Christians engage and confront the culture and government in their social context &#8211; and what kind of ecumenical alliances can be formed to accomplish this?  Ecumenical alliances and civil disobedience. Just what should we think and do?  And what, if any, is the potential historical significance of the <em>Manhattan Declaration</em>?</p>
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		<title>&#8220;Pub Theology 000&#8243; by Pastor Larry DeBruyn</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Larry DeBruyn, the guest writer of this ABI blog post, received his Th.M. from Dallas Theological Seminary in 1974 and has been the Pastor of Franklin Road Baptist Church in Indianapolis, Indiana for many years. Pastor DeBruyn has published two books; regularly writes articles as a guest contributor on several websites; is a conference speaker; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Larry DeBruyn,  the guest writer of this ABI blog post,  received his Th.M. from Dallas Theological Seminary in 1974 and has been the Pastor of Franklin Road Baptist Church in Indianapolis, Indiana for many years. Pastor DeBruyn has published two books; regularly writes articles as a guest contributor on several websites; is a conference speaker; and has taught internationally including at the Word of Life Bible School in Hungary.</em></p>
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<p><em><strong>&#8220;Some thoughts on Sunday night church in a bar.&#8221;</strong></em></p>
<p>As he begins to rip into “a screaming guitar solo,” the band member yells out at the audience, “<a href="http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009909270384" target="_blank">Let’s go to church boys</a>!” Welcome to Pub Theology. As the reporter describes it, the theology is “a Sunday night show that’s one part church and one part party.” Among other posters on the bar’s walls is an alluding slander of the final verse of the biblical chapter on love. It reads, “Faith, Hope, Love and Beer” (The actual text reads, “<strong>But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love</strong>,” 1 Corinthians 13:13, NASB).</p>
<p>Being “shaggy-haired, body-pierced and colored with assorted body art,” some members of the Sunday evening pub rock group double as members of a mega-church’s “worship team” on Sunday mornings. Confessing to love both Jesus and rock ‘n’ roll, band members will burn through a pack of cigarettes and exhort the audience to cozy up to the bar and buy beer. Skeptical about hosting the “Pub Theology” on Sunday nights in his bar at first, the owner of the business admits the band has turned an otherwise dead night into a profitable evening.</p>
<p>Regarding this new outreach—the mega-church’s ministerial staff fully approve of Pub Theology—one of the band’s members says: “We want to be sincere and authentic and be who we really are, whether that is wearing jeans and a T-shirt or having a beer,” remarks one of the band members. “I think that is real, and I don’t think it is wrong or that God is unhappy about that.” Another band member relates, “I can drink a beer and smoke a cigarette and play some of my favorite songs and hang out with my friends and maybe meet someone and tell them about Jesus.”</p>
<p>Interestingly, most of the band members were raised in religious homes. In fact, two of its members are former PKS (i.e., preacher’s kids). Having been a former pastor, their father now sees the light and has become the band’s roadie (a catch-all term covering all those managers and techies that accompany the band). The band accounts for the band’s existence and novel ministerial approach for reason of their legalistic Wesleyan upbringing—“I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t go to R-rated movies, I don’t dance.” But the casual and alcoholically lubricated atmosphere of Pub Theology raises an important issue, for a reporter asks, “Does Pub Theology produce any lasting effects, or is it just a casual encounter with church in a bar—a spiritual one-night stand?”</p>
<p>First, Pub Theology is not church. If it is, then where’s the reading of the Scriptures, the apostles’ teaching, prayer and observance of the Lord’s Table? (Acts 2:42) We can also be certain that the band members will avoid any impression of being preachy.</p>
<p>Second, Pub Theology is not theology. Reportedly, the band’s opening song was Joan Osborne’s one-hit wonder, “What if God was one of us?” The lyrics also add, “Just a slob like one of us.”[2] Imagine . . . God’s a slob like one of us. Given the humanizing of God in the song “What if God was one of us?” what we’re dealing with is not Pub Theology, but pub idolatry as “<strong>the glory of the incorruptible God</strong>” is being exchanged “<strong>for an image in the form of corruptible man</strong>” (Romans 1:23, NASB). Do you think Joan Osborne’s lyrical questions affirm the great Christological passages of the New Testament (John 1:1 ff.; Colossians 1:15-17; Philippians 2:5-11). By the way, these three passages are comprised of theological statements extracted from early Christian hymns. Would the pub-theology band sing them? I’d estimate the lyrics of these hymns to be far too dogmatic, stodgy, and preachy for the “boys” at the bar!</p>
<p>Third, Pub Theology is not Christian outreach. It’s the use of carnal-fleshly-worldly means to attain spiritual ends. The Apostle Paul would not have engaged such means for he wrote: “<strong>For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God</strong>” (2 Corinthians 10:3-5, NIV; Compare Galatians 5:21 where Paul labels “<strong>drunkenness</strong>” a work of the flesh). Given the atmosphere surrounding the Pub Theology, Paul’s majestic description of love as it exists on the barroom wall might be contemporarily translated, now abide these four, “faith, hope, love, and beer,” <em>but the greatest of these is beer</em>!</p>
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		<title>Important Questions from a Reader</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, I received an email from an ABI Facebook Group member with some questions and issues that this person would like for us to consider as topics to be addressed on the ABI website and/or blog. I have also encountered these myself in a variety of contexts including ministry situations, articles and books, blogs and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Today, I received an email from an ABI Facebook Group member with some questions and issues that this person would like for us to consider as topics to be addressed on the ABI website and/or blog. I have also encountered these myself in a variety of contexts including ministry situations, articles and books, blogs and forums, conversations and just during personal reflection. I have summarized the main issues below and plan to write on many or most of them in over the next few weeks (or have guest writers contribute, as well.)</em></p>
<p><em>So, stay tuned.<br />
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<p><em>(As always, please feel free to comment on the blogs &#8211; and also send me your own questions, as well.)</em><br />
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<strong>Reformed theology:</strong> We are seeing this become an increasingly divisive issue within and between churches. Some churches now no longer want to have gospel invitations and didn&#8217;t like it that invitations were included in some of the teaching material they had been using. They had concluded that a person could not understand and properly respond to a gospel message the first time they hear it. This also seems to be related to the &#8220;Lordship salvation&#8221; / &#8220;easy believism&#8221; debate. (My comments: These also sometimes have implications for other issues that are worth discussing such as dispensational versus Covenant theology, Calvinism versus Arminianism, predestination versus free-will, eternal security versus conditional security, among others.)</p>
<p><strong>The Emergent Church:</strong> I get asked about this a lot by many people, including pastors. But I&#8217;m also asked this by a lot of lay people and regardless of their role in the church &#8211; I would love to be able to refer people to a good, concise article that explains things clearly. On the other hand, I am amazed at how many others don&#8217;t even know that this and other major issues are having a profound impact on the church as a whole today. <strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>Worldview:</strong> What does &#8220;worldview&#8221; mean in general &#8211; and what does it mean to have a biblical worldview? I have been in at least one rather tense conversation with someone who was struggling to understand that not every believer necessarily has a biblical worldview. Along this line of thought, I was recently involved in one discussion in which the actual &#8220;Christian-ness&#8221; of a parent&#8217;s worldview came into question by on of their teen children &#8211; because they appeared to be sort out the idea that there are possibly various degrees of Christianity.<br />
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Doctrine:</strong> A major issue I frequently encounter is the question, &#8220;why does doctrine matter?&#8221; For many, the bottom line is that &#8220;God is love&#8221; and we should all work together on that basis alone. We are seeing a wide variety of beliefs, many contradictory &#8211; which cause problems for both those who try to minimize the differences as well as those that are struggling to define core beliefs that essential separation issues.  As one example, a few years ago when asked about what his church held to doctrinally the pastor responded, &#8220;Well &#8211; we are really on the cutting edge of theology here . . . &#8221; We had a lot of discussion about just what that meant &#8211; and it just wasn&#8217;t very clear. The edge of theology (that lacks clear biblical basis) is not where we want to be nor where we would want our children being trained!</p>
<p><strong>The &#8220;homechurch/family integrated church&#8221; movement:</strong> This thinking is promoted heavily by Vision Forum among others. (Also, the long-term effect / effectiveness of small-groups needs to be examined for results &#8211; long-term and short-term.)</p>
<p><strong>Old Earth/Young Earth Creationism: </strong>This a big topic causing a lot of discussion a homeschool forum, with some suggestion that perhaps Young Earth Creationism is actually a tool of Satan to divide the church.</p>
<p><strong>Biblically rearing children: </strong>Many methods and philosophies are being promoted concerning appropriate education of one&#8217;s children. This extends from more moderate mainstream views on responsible schooling &#8211; with often more heat than light generated in some discussions. Some are happy to put their children in school because the parents feel it is a comfort to put her children in school knowing that there were people in the government whose job it was to know what was best for her children and to take that burden from her. Others fall to the other extreme &#8211; perhaps something in the vein of the &#8220;quiverful movement,&#8221; Bill Gothard teaching and philosophy and even whether or not youth groups are biblical.</p>
<p>Depending on the context, some of these have turned into real emotional &#8220;hot-button&#8221; issues.<br />
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<em>Thank you for taking time to ask about these. We will try to address them in a fair and balanced way. Some might require multiple posts and I may call upon guest writers with greater expertise to write on some of them. Whatever the case, I encourage others to write to me as well &#8211; and we will try to address your hottest topics. info@biblicalintegrity.org</em></p>
<p>Dave James<br />
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		<title>Church &#8211; For People Who *Do* Like Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(This article is available in downloadable and printable PDF, 2-column article format: Click here to download) The following are examples of some slogans that are currently in use by churches in America (as reported on www.poetpatriot.com): &#8220;Real church&#8230;Real People&#8221; &#8220;The Church of Tomorrow&#8230;Today!&#8221; &#8220;Equipping People for Life&#8221; &#8220;The Small Church with a Big Dream&#8221; &#8220;The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #888888;"><em>(This  article is available in downloadable and printable PDF, 2-column  article format: <a href="http://www.biblicalintegrity.org/ABI_Report_2009-09-11_Church_for_those_who_like_it.pdf" target="_blank">Click here to download</a>)</em></span></p>
<p>The following are examples of  some slogans that are currently in use by churches in America (as reported on <a href="http://www.poetpatriot.com/pp-church-mottos-inuse.htm" target="_blank">www.poetpatriot.com</a>):</p>
<p>&#8220;Real church&#8230;Real People&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The Church of Tomorrow&#8230;Today!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Equipping People for Life&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The Small Church with a Big Dream&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The Fortified City&#8221;<br />
&#8220;A Church Where Miracles Happen&#8221;</p>
<p>However, there is one slogan in particular that has  gained broad usage  in recent years: &#8220;A Church for People Who Don&#8217;t Like Church&#8221;</p>
<p>Although I understand what is meant and why it is used, something about this slogan just doesn&#8217;t seem quite right.</p>
<p>Several important issues come to mind:</p>
<p>*  Christ said that he was going to build his <em>church</em> (Matthew 16:18)<br />
*  Believers as a group make up the  <em>church</em> as the body of Christ (Ephesians 5:23)<br />
*  Believers as individuals make up local <em>churches</em> (cf. the greetings and references throughout Paul&#8217;s letters)<br />
*  Believers are instructed to consistently gather together for mutual encouragement (Hebrews 10:25) &#8211; which seems to be a reference to <em>church</em> meetings<br />
*  Most of the New Testament letters were written to functioning, organized local <em>churches</em><br />
*  The instructions in Revelation 1-3 were specifically to <em>churches </em>in preparation for the revelation of Christ to the world and the coming judgment<br />
*  Everything related to the spiritual life of believers in the New Testament is in the context of  the local <em>church</em><br />
*  In the New Testament, it is assumed that believers need and desire to be together; to function as a loving community gathered together in the name of their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the body &#8211; which is the <em>church</em><br />
*    Unbelievers receive virtually no mention in the letters to the churches  except when they pose problems for individual believers or disrupt the normal  life of the church through things like false teaching or improper behavior<br />
*  The structure, function and responsibilities of the local church is always defined in relation to believers, and in this regard unbelievers are inconsequential to the life of the church (it&#8217;s not that they are unimportant for they most certainly are extremely important &#8211; to God and to believers, they are just not part of the church).</p>
<p>From these, we learn very important truths about the way a healthy, biblical church should function. We learn prescriptively (through commands) and descriptively (through examples) what churches should be like &#8211; what is important, what should be emphasized, how and why things should be done.</p>
<p>First, we learn that <em>church</em> is not something to be disparaged, nor minimized in  any sense. It is central to the life of the believer as it facilitates one&#8217;s relationship with Christ and with other believers. But this slogan feels a bit like a &#8220;bait and switch&#8221; &#8211; which does disparage church (at least as it has traditionally been understood) &#8211; but then  offers church in its place. It is an unfortunate word play.</p>
<p>Second, we find that <em>church</em> is for believers, rather than unbelievers or even a mixed group. In fact, more than being just for believers, church is comprised of believers <em>exclusively</em>. Without believers, although there can be a gathering of people &#8211; even for religious reasons, it does not constitute a biblical church. Church is by and for believers alone. There is nothing in the New Testament that remotely indicates that the meetings of believers, i.e., local churches, are to be formed or function for the sake of unbelievers or to make them relevant to unbelievers. In fact, a biblical local church, by definition, will not be relevant to unbelievers, because deep spiritual truth is beyond the  grasp of someone who has not been born again (1 Corinthians 2:14).</p>
<p>Conversely, to whatever degree a meeting  is inherently attractive, understandable, relevant, etc. to unbelievers, to that degree it will cease to be a church meeting. This doesn&#8217;t mean that we look for ways to be unattractive, incomprehensible and irrelevant. But it is the work of the Spirit of God  in the heart of an unbeliever that makes spiritual truth seem relevant to him or her. No amount of repackaging can accomplish this. And because of this, the contents of the package are usually what is changed. (This doesn&#8217;t mean that there can&#8217;t be meetings, conferences, seminars, etc. for the sake of reaching out to unbelievers &#8211; but that is a different function).</p>
<p>To be fair,   the slogan in question reflects a legitimate and well-intentioned attempt to address various problems which include things such as stagnating or decreasing church attendance, ministering to believers who are immersed in a culture that is quickly moving away from Christian principles as the foundation for society, reaching the lost for Christ in the face of a deepening disinterest in all things Christian and a disdain for anything that smacks of promoting moral absolutes.</p>
<p>However, in the process of dealing with these things, the focus and purpose of the church has largely shifted away from being a place of encouragement and ongoing spiritual growth for believers. Instead, the mission of the church is shifting toward to creating a place and an atmosphere that is appealing and non-threatening to primarily the &#8220;unchurched&#8221; (the lost) and the &#8220;dechurched&#8221; (the disgruntled). In other words, the new &#8220;church&#8221; that is emerging is being specifically crafted to be a place for people who don&#8217;t like church. This necessarily means that over time worldly philosophies and methodologies will ultimately overwhelm  biblical ways of thinking and doing things.</p>
<p>But if believers are called to be separate, to come out from the world, to not be conformed to the world, to be in the world but not of the world, to avoid sinful or even questionable practices &#8211; then sooner or later, believers will be driven away from these &#8220;church&#8221; meetings as churches emerge and evolve into these new forms. Unbelievers may be seeking something, but no matter how it may appear they are not seeking God nor his righteousness (Romans 3:10-11). I fear that many have been deceived into making wholesale changes for the sake of unbelievers, while at the same time driving out untold scores of genuine believers who would dare to resist some of the more radical changes.</p>
<p>Consequently,  the new &#8220;church&#8221; is no longer for people who <em><strong>do</strong></em> like church. This isn&#8217;t to say that we shouldn&#8217;t always be seeking ways to be culturally relevant. But being culturally relevant does not mean to constantly chase the latest trends and philosophies and bring them into the church so people can comfortably relate. To be culturally relevant is to be wise and insightful concerning how to apply biblical principles in such a way to affect change in the lives of believers when they are tempted to conform to  ungodly cultural norms.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, biblical exposition tends to be one of the first things that begins changing in the remaking of church so that it is more attractive to those who don&#8217;t like church. Expositional messages based on sound exegesis tend to give way to superficially-biblical topical messages dealing with the  &#8220;felt-needs&#8221; of a primary target audience that is either unchurched or dechurched. On the one hand, this group cannot grasp spiritually deep truths and on the other, they are generally easily offended by terms like &#8220;sin,&#8221; &#8220;wrath,&#8221; &#8220;judgment,&#8221; &#8220;hell,&#8221; etc. Of course, unbelievers are welcome to come into a believers&#8217; meeting, but they will never become a part of the fellowship unless they clearly hear the gospel and the Word of God taught authoritatively and unapologetically.</p>
<p>When the centrality of the Word of God is diminished or even eliminated, then church is no longer for those who do like church. And  believers <em><strong>should</strong></em> like church. This isn&#8217;t about those who are simply against any kind of change for any reason. This isn&#8217;t about self-centeredness. This isn&#8217;t about fear of stepping outside of one&#8217;s comfort zone. This isn&#8217;t about a total lack of concern for a lost world.</p>
<p>However, the sad fact is that often those believers (who are often among the most mature) who do resist this emergence into a new kind of church and new kind of Christianity are regularly criticized and vilified &#8211; and many are even told that it would probably be better if they found another church.</p>
<p>Rather, it is about keeping church for born-again believers, because the church is born-again believers &#8211; and only born-again believers. It is about making sure that the church is always for people who <em><strong>do</strong></em> like church.</p>
<p>There are innumerable legitimate and creative ways for believers to be salt and light in the world &#8211; and reach the lost with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Believers can and should go out into the world, not isolate themselves from it in some kind of monasticism. But we don&#8217;t reach the lost by transforming church meetings to  model worldly thought and behavior. If we do, then there is nothing left to where believers can go for  fellowship and to gain the strength, encouragement, knowledge and wisdom they need to be a wise as serpents, but as harmless as doves in a dangerous world of which our mortal enemy is its prince.</p>
<p>The biblical picture is of shepherding in such a way that none of the flock (who love being near the shepherd) are lost in the process of adding to the size of the flock. Unfortunately, much of what passes for modern church-growth methods amounts to little more than sending large parts of the flock over a cliff, just so they can be replaced by a new larger flock &#8211; that really doesn&#8217;t know any better.</p>
<p>May we never be part of remaking the church in such a way that those who used to like church, no longer do.</p>
<p>Dave James<br />
Ministry Coordinator</p>
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