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		<description><![CDATA[A few days ago, I posted an article by Jan Markell (Olive Tree Ministries) concerning Rick Warren&#8217;s newest initiative&#8212;a health and fitness seminar featuring three doctors representing three very different worldviews &#8211; Dr. Oz (a Muslim), Dr. Hymen (a Jew) and Dr. Amen (a Christian). As a follow-up, I am posting this article by Jennifer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A few days ago, I posted an article by Jan Markell (<a href="http://www.olivetreeviews.org/">Olive Tree Ministries</a>) concerning Rick Warren&#8217;s newest initiative&#8212;a health and fitness seminar featuring three doctors representing three very different worldviews &#8211; Dr. Oz (a Muslim), Dr. Hymen (a Jew) and Dr. Amen (a Christian).</em></p>
<p><em>As a follow-up, I am posting this article by Jennifer Pekich (<a href="http://ponderingsfrompatmos.blogspot.com">Ponderings from Patmos blog</a>), who personally attended the event on January 15, 2011. This is a well-written, well-researched and very important article that has been picked up and re-posted on  many discernment and apologetics blogs across the internet.</em></p>
<p><em>I want to extend my personal thanks to Jennifer for her excellent work on this and for her permission to post her article here.</em></p>
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<h3><strong>Saddleback Health &amp; Fitness Seminar &#8211; Infomercial for Sustainable Development</strong></h3>
<p><em>by Jennifer Pekich (Ponderings from Patmos) <a href="http://ponderingsfrompatmos.blogspot.com/2011/01/saddleback-health-fitness-seminar.html?showComment=1295731820883#c3753303697907051983">(click here for original post)</a><br />
</em></p>
<p>Today on Patmos we will discuss my experience at the Saddleback Health  and Fitness Seminar this past weekend.  I first arrived to Saddleback&#8217;s  campus only to be told that &#8220;all parking lots were full.&#8221;  I drove  across the street to see if there were any spots available in the  business lots and they were full too.  I ended up parking in a housing  tract and walked a mile or two back to Saddleback&#8217;s campus.  As  I arrived, I overheard a parking lot attendant say they estimated about  6,000 people had come to the seminar.</p>
<p>I was a little late, so I was grateful to my nephew who went online and  began to relay what was being said in the opening comments, as I didn&#8217;t  want to miss what was to be the foundation of the talks that day.  I was  a little taken aback when my nephew told me the first speaker, Dr.  Amen, made reference to the Egyptian pyramids and how they were built  upon an &#8221;idea,&#8221; and if man could build something like that all those  thousands of years ago, what could he do today if he put his mind to  it?  I found that to be somewhat disturbing, as the pyramids, no matter  how impressive they were, represent the ancient pagan religions which  got their start in Babylon when Nimrod gathered men (the community)  together to commit idolatry by building a tower to honor themselves as  gods (Gen. Ch. 11). [1]  And yet here it was, the analogy that was  chosen to illustrate this new &#8220;idea&#8221; Saddleback would launch their 52  week program with.  No matter what Dr. Amen&#8217;s intent was, I believe the  analogy was appropriate, and the subtle message is telling&#8230;&#8221;MAN CAN DO  ANYTHING HE PUTS HIS MIND TO.&#8221;  Sound familiar? (Read Gen. 3:4-5). [2]</p>
<p>As I began to head up the hill toward the main sanctuary, a Saddleback  tram pulled up and the driver asked if I wanted a lift and I said I  preferred to walk, but thanks.  The driver yelled, &#8220;Let&#8217;s all give her a  hand folks, she&#8217;s started the Daniel Plan already!&#8221;  And the people on  the tram cheered.  Nevermind the fact that I have been walking my entire  life because I enjoy doing so, not because of some health and fitness  campaign.  I sensed I was entering a nightmare.</p>
<p>The main sanctuary was full &amp; it was standing room only.  They  told me the overflow areas were full too.  So I found a spot on the  patio outside the main sanctuary looking in.  I had a good view and  could see the stage perfectly.  Their outdoor sound system made it so I  could roam around, observe the audience, continue to listen to the guest  speakers, and take notes.</p>
<p>To begin, I&#8217;d like to state that Saturday Jan. 15th, 2011 will go down  in the history books as the day Saddleback Church was sold a bill of  goods.  The masses had come out in droves for answers to their weight  loss difficulties &amp; health problems, but unbeknownst to them, they  were being given a prescription for restructuring society &amp;  population control.</p>
<p>The prescription goes by the name Agenda 21, a.k.a. &#8220;Sustainable  Development&#8221; or &#8220;Smart Growth.&#8221;  Agenda 21 is a published document put  out by the United Nations with the intent to put limits on population  and to restructure nation-states into a global society. [3] Rick  Warren&#8217;s &#8220;new friends&#8221; had dubbed it, &#8220;The Daniel Plan &#8211; God&#8217;s  Prescription For Your Health.&#8221;  A more appropriate title would&#8217;ve  been, &#8221;Sustainable Living - Destroying Inalienable Rights, One Community  at a Time.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the time I settled into listening more intently, the second speaker,  Mark Hyman, began.  It didn&#8217;t take too long to figure out what the basis  of his message was.  We &#8221;need to heal with community&#8221; (he termed this  &#8220;accompaniment&#8221;), &#8220;we&#8217;re here for the sake of each other,&#8221; this plan &#8220;is  our way out,&#8221; this plan &#8220;saved me,&#8221; and in fact will &#8221;change the  world.&#8221;   Saddleback was being told they were a &#8220;test community&#8221; to show  the world how to live &#8220;healthy and sustainably.&#8221;  When I heard these  words, my heart sank.  It was as I&#8217;d feared.  I knew which buzzwords to  listen for, and he was hitting them all.  The audience was told  they would be champions in health to show the world what &#8220;living  sustainably&#8221; was all about, but Dr. Hyman is a leftist who is more than a  champion in health, he&#8217;s a change agent for the global elite, as is Dr.  Oz &amp; Dr. Amen.  Dr. Hyman is the founder and medical director of  the Ultra Wellness Center, he advises Dr. Oz&#8217;s healthcore group,  and he&#8217;s a nominee to President Obama&#8217;s advisory group on prevention,  health promotion, and integrative and public health. [4]  Hmmmmmm.  I  smell an agenda.</p>
<p>Dr. Hyman practices what&#8217;s known as &#8220;functional medicine,&#8221; which means  he uses a &#8220;whole systems&#8221; approach to medicine, in other words, he  practices medicine &#8221;wholistically.&#8221; This is also known as &#8220;Mind Body&#8221;  medicine.  At Saddleback&#8217;s seminar, &#8220;mind body&#8221; or &#8220;functional&#8221; medicine  was presented as if it&#8217;s completely scientific.  Any scientist worth  his salt will tell you that yes, the body can be measured  scientifically, but the mind falls into an  entirely different category which can never be measured by science.  As  stated by Dave Hunt in his book <em>Occult Invasion &#8211; The Subtle Seduction of the World and Church</em>,  &#8220;Physical science, by very definition, can make no judgements  concerning a nonphysical realm&#8221; as is the mind &amp; the soul. [5] In  other words, the mind and the soul are scientifically immeasurable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same with the religions of &#8221;Mind Science.&#8221;  Calling a religion  &#8220;Mind Science&#8221; or &#8220;Scientology,&#8221; when there&#8217;s nothing scientific about  it, is the same as calling a cereal &#8220;Grapenuts&#8221; when it contains no  grapes or nuts.  But we live in an era when the masses have been  sufficiently dumbed down and all it takes to impress is clever packaging  and branding.  If &#8220;they&#8221; say it&#8217;s science, then dog-gone-it, it&#8217;s  science!  After all, &#8220;these doctors are on television.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I sat through all 3 presentations by Dr.&#8217;s Hyman, Amen, &amp; Oz,  what came to mind were the traveling snake oil salesmen of the 1800&#8242;s.   They talk fast, so fast that the message that&#8217;s really being given, goes  right over people&#8217;s heads.  They used tactics to tug at the heart  strings such as videos of sick little girls who suddenly got well from  being on &#8220;the program&#8221; and have been &#8220;set free&#8221; from relying on  medications.  Then they flooded the audience with &#8220;facts&#8221; and  &#8220;statistics&#8221; to scare any grandmother, such as &#8220;a tsunami of disease is  hitting us,&#8221; &#8220;life expectancy is going down,&#8221; &#8220;1 out of 2 people are  diabetic or pre-diabetic,&#8221; &#8220;70% of all agricultural land is taken up by  growing animals to feed all the people,&#8221; &#8220;the bigger your body gets, the  more your brain shrinks,&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>I about fell off my chair when Dr. Hyman stated, &#8220;The key to the success  of the &#8220;Daniel Plan&#8221; is &#8220;group living&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;individuals&#8221; will not  succeed, our only hope lies in &#8220;community.&#8221;  And with that, it was  announced that the &#8220;Saddleback community&#8221; would be an example of  &#8220;sustainable living&#8221; and would set the course to &#8221;change this  world&#8221;&#8230;and the crowd went wild!  I have to admit that visions of the  masses being manipulated by Adolf Hitler&#8217;s oratory skills came to  my mind, only this particular crowd had just been manipulated by a  really bad infomercial.</p>
<p>Dr. Hyman said that he is a Jew, Dr. Amen is a Christian, and Dr. Oz is a  Muslim.  And doesn&#8217;t that represent the demographic of &#8220;most of the  population of the world?&#8221;  But then he said, &#8220;We&#8217;re all the same  underneath.&#8221;  True to his snake oil salesman fashion, Dr. Hyman didn&#8217;t  define his terms.  What in the world does he mean &#8220;we&#8217;re all the same  underneath&#8221;?  That can mean a number of things.  Since he was speaking  to a religious crowd, I&#8217;d venture to say some of the folks present took  that to mean we&#8217;re all children of God (Jews, Muslims, Christians,  Hindus, Buddhists, etc.), which is patently false according to the  Bible.  The Bible says there are only two groups, children of wrath and  children of God.  You&#8217;re either one or the other, a believer in Christ  Jesus, or a non-believer. We aren&#8217;t &#8220;all the same  underneath.&#8221; (Ephesians Ch. 2). [6]</p>
<p>The only way in which we&#8217;re &#8220;all the same underneath&#8221; is we&#8217;re all  sinners in need of a savior, and the savior isn&#8217;t &#8220;sustainable living.&#8221;   The Savior is Jesus Christ and He is the only way unto salvation. (John  14:6). [7]  And to become a child of God, Jesus said, &#8220;You must be born  again.&#8221; (John Ch. 3). [8]  The tragic thing about the talks given at  Saddleback is, Jesus was never mentioned&#8230;and I mean NEVER.  There  was a reference to Jesus in the opening worship song along with a few  passing references to God by Rick Warren.  Daniel Amen mentioned that  our bodies were &#8221;a temple of the Holy Spirit and the brain is the  innersanctum,&#8221; but in the lessons being taught that day, Jesus didn&#8217;t  make the cut, &#8220;sustainable lifestyles&#8221; &amp; &#8220;group living&#8221; did.</p>
<p>Following Dr. Hyman&#8217;s talk, my best friend arrived to observe the day  with me, only to hear Dr. Amen mention in his presentation that he did a  brain scan on one of his clients who had a habit of cheating on his  wife.  The brain scan showed that there were &#8220;holes in the pre-frontal  cortex of his brain&#8221; which controls the impulses.  In other words, this  man wasn&#8217;t sinful, he was &#8220;mentally ill.&#8221;  All he needed was to get on  the &#8220;Change Your Brain, Change Your Body&#8221; program, and his personal  struggles with sin were remedied.  Once again, Jesus was removed from  the equation.  My friend and I were dumbfounded when we listened to the  Saddleback crowd cheer.  My best friend couldn&#8217;t contain it any  longer and let out a, &#8220;You&#8217;ve got to be kidding me.&#8221;  My thoughts  exactly!</p>
<p>Dr. Hyman recommended yoga and meditation to the crowd.  Dr. Amen gave  a diplomatic denunciation of yoga (which is contradictory since he has  recommended it himself), but about five sentences later mentioned a  study done by a friend of his named Andy Newberg who did brain scans on  Tibetan nuns and Franciscan priests while in &#8220;prayer and contemplation&#8221;  and the study showed that &#8220;spiritual connection&#8221; is healthy.  Dr.  Amen has been an advocate of &#8221;Sa Ta Na Ma&#8221; meditation. [9]</p>
<p>If by chance any attendees of the Saddleback &#8220;Health and Fitness  Seminar&#8221; read this blog post, I encourage you to educate yourself about  what globalism truly is.  You also need to research Agenda 21.  As  stated earlier, the purpose of Agenda 21 is to restructure society.   Sounds conspiratorial, I know.  But it isn&#8217;t a conspiracy, it&#8217;s a  published document of the United Nations that&#8217;s in full swing.  Anywhere  you hear the terms, &#8220;Sustainable Development,&#8221; &#8220;sustainable living,&#8221;  &#8220;smart growth,&#8221; &#8220;going green,&#8221; etc., rest assured you&#8217;ve just been  exposed to the U.N.&#8217;s Agenda 21. [10]</p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t surprise us that Pastor Rick Warren would allow a seminar  of this nature at Saddleback, after all, he himself has &#8220;GONE GREEN.&#8221;  [11]  He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. [12]   This illustrates the natural progression of one being unequally yoked  with non-believers &amp; buying into heresies such as &#8221;Kingdom Now,&#8221;  &#8220;Dominionism,&#8221; or &#8221;Restoration Theology.&#8221;  Where these heresies  reign, as they do at Saddleback, you will find that the focus  subtly shifts from salvation in Christ alone, through faith alone, to  misguided efforts to restore mankind &amp; the earth through &#8220;community&#8221;  works, sustainable living, and social justice.  How convenient that  these just happen to be the vehicles which the United Nations is  using to further it&#8217;s own agenda to restructure society &amp; unite the  world under its governing body of global elites.</p>
<p><strong>TRUE TRUTH:</strong><br />
<strong>2 Timothy 4:3-4</strong><br />
<strong>&#8220;For the time will come when they will not endure sound  doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves  teachers, having itching ears; </strong><br />
<strong>And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>(I found it to be slightly humorous that, on page 9 of the booklet which  Saddleback passed out to attendees, the symptom of &#8220;itchy ears&#8221; was  listed in the &#8220;Medical Symptom/Toxicity Questionnaire&#8221;&#8230;oh, the irony!)</p>
<p>Endnotes:<br />
1. Genesis 11:4 &#8211; &#8220;Then they said, &#8216;Come, let us build ourselves a city,  with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name  for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>2. Genesis 3:4-5 &#8211; &#8220;You will not surely die,&#8221; the serpent said to the  woman.  &#8220;For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened,  and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Agenda 21 -<br />
<a href="http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/">http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/</a></p>
<p>4. Mark Hyman&#8217;s presentation at &#8220;Authors @ Google&#8221; titled, The UltraMind Solution: Healthy Body, Powerful Mind.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZVpsd2Nao">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZVpsd2Nao</a></p>
<p>5. <em>Occult Invasion &#8211; The Subtle Seduction of the World and the Church</em>, Dave Hunt, Harvest House Publishers 1998, pg. 61</p>
<p>6. Ephesians Ch. 2:1-5 &#8211; &#8220;And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;<br />
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world,  according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now  worketh in the children of disobedience:<br />
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts  of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and  were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.<br />
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,<br />
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved).&#8221;</p>
<p>7. John 14:6 &#8211; Jesus saith unto him, &#8220;I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.&#8221;</p>
<p>8. John 3:3 &#8211; Jesus answered and said unto him, &#8220;Verily, verily, I say  unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of  God.&#8221;</p>
<p>9. Dr. Amen recommends &#8220;Sa Ta Na Ma&#8221; meditation a form of Kirtin Kriya yoga.<br />
<a href="http://richardeward.com/kirtin-kriya-sa-ta-na-ma-meditation/">http://richardeward.com/kirtin-kriya-sa-ta-na-ma-meditation/</a></p>
<p>10. Agenda 21 &#8211; The U.N. Plan for Your Sustainable Community<br />
<a href="http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html">http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html</a></p>
<p>11. A Greener Spirit: Evangelicals Embrace &#8220;Creation Care&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://environment.change.org/blog/view/a_greener_spirit_evangelicals_embrace_creation_care">http://environment.change.org/blog/view/a_greener_spirit_evangelicals_embrace_creation_care</a></p>
<p>12. Council on Foreign Relations Membership Roster<br />
<a href="http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=W">http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=W</a></p>
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		<title>Rick Warren&#8217;s Controversial New Initiative</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rick Warren has been broadly criticized for both his alliances and his projects. His latest initiative, launched on January 15 at Saddleback, is almost certain to attract similar attention &#8211; not so much because of the issue itself, but because of those who are partnering with him. Jan Markell, over at Olive Tree Ministries, discusses [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h4><span style="color: #000080;"><strong><em>Rick Warren has been broadly criticized for both his alliances and his projects. His latest initiative, launched on January 15 at Saddleback, is almost certain to attract similar attention &#8211; not so much because of the issue itself, but because of those who are partnering with him.<br />
</em></strong></span></h4>
<p>Jan Markell, over at <a href="http://www.olivetreeviews.org/">Olive Tree Ministrie</a>s,  discusses this issue in her latest article which is featured in this  edition of the ABI Blog. I hope you will take a few moments to read this  important piece.<span style="color: #888888;"><em><br />
(This article is reproduced by permission of the author.)</em></span><br />
__________________________<em><br />
by Jan Markell<br />
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<p>What on earth is Pastor Rick Warren thinking? I have avoided being harsh concerning Rick but on the issue I am about to outline, I must be blunt. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">A series of errors</span> is outlined below but the zinger following them is my focus.</p>
<p><em><strong>* </strong><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCfkF-CLTrX0ux7VWvJQHNWK8Wk483nUbcpLgGf5O7DxljkZ4ShtqGJC0svW75xs0ocbcRrPF9iYNy2fDtNGdo_DyebNeRubB-3Zz4qfmLILM9v16LIlq6Pvj3AsJz9X10J7-6N-X2S1CByfpgjgRWB" target="_blank"><strong>Praising</strong> Syria</a> for its religious freedom when it is an evil, repressive regime.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Perfecting</strong> church-growth efforts that even include synagogues, but what is missing in the process is the proclamation of the gospel. Warren&#8217;s church-growth plan focuses only on numbers.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Being a part of</strong> the leadership or board of advisors for questionable organizations such as the </em><em>World Economic Forum, </em><em>The Council on Foreign Relations, and </em><em><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCJ-LTJXv4e1mLcUVzYTqjHwf9KG60NSy7nzokK4HUicWOc4Px4mM-i9uDqPRuchGlabAGgA9vf5txlAzRtGX-GXmD81rTdMr532lEpqejLr8AudTCAGLFuGlyRSDZiMQwysoxSiqrLyaqDZuOq7zHL" target="_blank">Tony Blair&#8217;s Faith Foundation </a>which is a pagan, ecumenical outfit.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* </strong><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCPZb0ZswwVCYEGzoq-G9W2ip-S1cY6FtqhV3hzlUUvRAtBz58krhvpoGWIve0TkX5dcATWb5T3u_TYS5ROWJQlXCApDFVy0asmFueUdDvjWxcJYgki0m8REO2_vPeyB1aZR27xoNsKi5y1YH_DlHwXUIg-2o6VJyjyTlTtRAxWW_MPh2jqrhLtw9pAyWFqV_54XGod8bjsdaGE1LtxExKQyKSO4kDb6oo=" target="_blank"><strong>Speaking to</strong> the North American Islamic Society</a> in July  2009 but withholding the gospel from his message. This was another ecumenical effort.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Misquoting</strong> Jesus in </em><em>The Purpose Driven Life saying that He stated, &#8220;My return is none of your business&#8221; when, in fact, the Bible emphasizes that His return is our<a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcD6JhvOwcfZC29niXDN85aa3Yc_gmBpscXaKBqfnxZbCeH5u_boyNgwVW2C2BQ_F7JiwUQ39JgOihevjFJwhRWuW4Ew2CKI3viCYLpyldKwjZD9wkEdjDdRy8Sd48l2dIFUn71QtvUooYzn582xvBqb0JEDXDTw5EHAWSlYIO8CofbgxR8cv1gO" target="_blank"> blessed hope. </a>The Bible encourages us to watch and pray for His return. This theme consumes more than one-third of the Bible.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Embracing</strong> the false theology of </em><em>Kingdom Now/</em><em>Dominion eschatology which says the church will save the world through Pastor Warren&#8217;s global P.E.A.C.E. plan, global AIDS&#8217; efforts, etc. This is raging through evangelicalism and is a delusion, as we are on a cursed planet that only Christ&#8217;s return can save.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>* Underplaying</strong> the issues of hell, sin, repentance, etc., in his book and other global platforms he has been given.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcA8S_JfN9G7m1WQmEno3PODjcKURwG8GlF_QmGVrwsMNuM3I3U98waYPuzLZc_cfyV7HNyIg0RsT-kj6lDuPjw-Z_M8O_ub1w8u_DMNvEiPGpCktObz73KTgJ0iSumUmJA=" target="_blank">Because of a new effort launched January 15 </a>at Saddleback Church, I join the voices of vocal critics.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">He has put the souls and lives of his people and millions more in danger.  I do not know his motive. Last Saturday he launched a year-long effort to get his congregation and himself in shape. You can hear and read about it on the <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcB2-Q1dD4aw3bzd6dHP-f13i1kEdKxFIEl7uCNor1iTrDnJigtW8fQZ_5bQSrtsHgWJNK7WOrqys8HnnYvWgRwjZXYyJoTg3a4f6jsuD86zeg==" target="_blank">Saddleback Web site</a>:</span> &#8220;God&#8217;s prescription for your health. Be a part of this transformational debut to be a healthier you! We&#8217;ll hear from world-renowned doctors on a plan to get healthy and stay that way in the new decade.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who are &#8220;the world-renowned doctors&#8221; who have designed this program just for Saddleback Church? Men who are blatant promoters of Eastern mystical practices. Let me elaborate.</p>
<p>Best-selling author <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcDbIVZzI-fdagbpvD0F9aTlIbZaz55FX_aXegOG_9CNC1Joxa0L3yfam9aEnP41XpBSahygkzQ6OUYdeRkCuvzGnjxkreXvDs_8sR09wR2WUhJULq5Y8RTwIO2iV2Q7N-M=" target="_blank">Dr. Richard Amen</a> is a professor of psychiatry and teaches <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Eastern religious meditation and New Age<a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcAPiqWFdbGR-iobBxKqJXTAAfSQpoCEuilAy6hfKJXSm4mx6CSIBTs3VNkQJu6N-g4f0nre3KsazicSH190IoigG9y44lUoTR5rBVoP_3jPtPqZd9pqvaae9aTBUKL-bfC-W1-oha8TfWMQZkUG4I502RByGs7v7fI=" target="_blank"> energy-based Reiki.</a></span> You can hear Rick and Dr. Amen interacting on the <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcB2-Q1dD4aw3bzd6dHP-f13i1kEdKxFIEl7uCNor1iTrDnJigtW8fQZ_5bQSrtsHgWJNK7WOrqys8HnnYvWgRwjZXYyJoTg3a4f6jsuD86zeg==" target="_blank">Saddleback Web site</a>. On page 238 of Amen&#8217;s book,<em> Making a Good Brain Great,</em> he states, &#8220;I recommend an active form of Yoga meditation called Krya Kirtan. It is based on five primal sounds.&#8221; He advocates repeating these sounds daily for 12 minutes.</p>
<p><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCP5RuNy9nUCo1vCh9v3m7qH7WqgI7qOi1aEcCxrScqwKZ_Qonqgbx6Yp7eYhybap7ll6OsEySlirDbvS2ennT9PUcJjjuzCJA=" target="_blank">Dr. Mark Hyman </a>is a four-time New York Times best-selling author who again <span style="text-decoration: underline;">promotes mystical meditation based on Buddhist principles</span>. In his book, <em>The Ultramind Solution</em>, Hyman emphasizes meditation, saying it doesn&#8217;t matter what religion one is &#8212; all will benefit from it (p. 322). He praises the practice perfected by Buddhists (p. 384).<a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcAPArkCh3PItyraxcoJkW0zyehUnWft9JRgkVDJ0PWeIYu41A7UOoWWka1U84HQVPUrV6sBiFtqIpJxgnP83NL2N-vas6IBdqvEqSFsNcwf8g==" target="_blank"></a></p>
<p><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcAPArkCh3PItyraxcoJkW0zyehUnWft9JRgkVDJ0PWeIYu41A7UOoWWka1U84HQVPUrV6sBiFtqIpJxgnP83NL2N-vas6IBdqvEqSFsNcwf8g==" target="_blank">Dr. Mehmet Oz </a><span style="text-decoration: underline;">is a promoter of Reiki and Transcendental Meditation.</span> Oz says he is also inspired by <em>Emmanuel Swedenborg, an 18th century cult founder who taught that all religions lead to God. Swedenborg denied all orthodox Christian beliefs. There are many followers of the cult of Swedenborgism today.</em></p>
<p>What is Pastor Warren&#8217;s comment on the character of his three guests? &#8220;I am honored to be partnering with these internationally distinguished health experts.&#8221; Has he no understanding that putting into practice the various procedures they teach will put his congregation in great jeopardy?</p>
<p>Is the deception that great today? <span style="text-decoration: underline;">And what about the tens of thousands of churches who align with Saddleback? Will they get on board as well, putting millions of Christian&#8217;s souls and lives at stake?</span> How many demons are lurking around the wicked practices of Transcendental Meditation, Reiki,Yoga, and similar Eastern traditions?</p>
<p>As apologist <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcA2dfn4Hm2YNDtWNv0-pkWcTBN5_ZkZksA2puLR_bBAMGrwt4ygVepYVTdRQm2Wq7SHNhKlojMtOHZu9kuMMh9SMK2iq8RHHwpkLX9N-KzPTA==" target="_blank">Eric Barger</a> says, &#8220;Among the most troubling aspects of Warren&#8217;s progression are his alliances. When the most visible Christian leader of our day rubs shoulders with and aids the causes of assorted globalists, New Agers, Muslims, and now looks to one who is inspired by cultist Emanuel Swedenborg, the results are devastating. When leaders decide to reject discernment in favor of ecumenism, then innocent, unsuspecting people are, in effect, targeted by Satan&#8217;s unrelenting plan to move the church away from the truth of God&#8217;s Word. This is a perfect example of why following men, instead of the Bible, is a dangerous proposition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rick Warren says, &#8220;Americans are getting fatter and fatter and we must do something.&#8221; This seems a strange cause for a man some call &#8216;America&#8217;s pastor.&#8217; <strong>Shouldn&#8217;t our burden as evangelicals be the leanness of the soul and not the body?</strong> Equally perplexing is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">why his church leaders and members are fine with this year-long effort to glorify men who promote Eastern mysticism and other practices that are ungodly.</span></p>
<p>Ministry leaders have to choose our battles. Criticizing Christian leaders causes us distress and results in the loss of supporters, donations, churches, and even friends.  We are called every name imaginable so understand that <span style="text-decoration: underline;">contending for the faith costs everything.</span> But contending isn&#8217;t an option. It&#8217;s a commandment in <a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=qlskyecab&amp;et=1104252915740&amp;s=55452&amp;e=001R3M2XQYHJcCwRz3rV_mfRkpDWxOMN5mIcXGwMLy1ytQuHtspRP4veFtJwvvv87WpqG4MFGmFAut8ZqVyYsj_JgW9Dae2E6Q6bnbdbbzuMqaeZkujGjqKAU9XbqKq_B4qJm5oE21uRWrn1Op73YU3YxrQ-qIsIR8vB1RMotTXFMv7_bXw85QQWdeqeg9FSA0t" target="_blank">Jude 3.</a> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"> Saddleback Church is now presenting a different gospel via the three doctors who will speak into the lives of many for one full year. These men will be affirmed by Pastor Rick Warren. </span>There will be damage.</p>
<p>If some do not sound a warning, millions will be swept up in a program that could cause far more damage than obesity could ever do. <strong>The gods represented by the three doctors are after souls. They are gods who lead people away from eternal life in heaven and target souls for a Godless eternity. We cannot be silent no matter what the cost is to the critics.</strong></p>
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<p>Pray for Pastor Rick Warren and his church leaders. The program launched last weekend could be stopped by the leadership if they would grasp the offense of this effort.<strong> </strong></p>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Barreca</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Theological and Historical Response to the Contemporary Home Church Movement By Paul Barreca Pastor, Faith Bible Church, Vineland, NJ ABI Co-founder A recent Associate Press article highlighted a trend among Christians to leave their churches and worship at home instead. (1) Sometimes called Organic Church, Missional Church or House Church, this movement appeals to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3><span style="color: #61769e;"><em>A Theological and Historical Response to the Contemporary Home Church Movement</em></span></h3>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>By Paul Barreca</strong><br />
Pastor, Faith Bible Church, Vineland, NJ<br />
ABI Co-founder</span></h5>
<p>A recent Associate Press article highlighted a trend among Christians to leave their churches and worship at home instead. (1) Sometimes called Organic Church, Missional Church or House Church, this movement appeals to many who have grown dissatisfied with the corporate and impersonal nature of many American churches. Propelled by books such as Pagan Christianity (Frank Viola and George Barna), Life After Church (Brian Sanders) and They Like Jesus but Not the Church (Dan Kimball), some Christians urge that the only legitimate form of worship is a small, non-institutional gathering. They claim to have re-discovered the true origins of Christian worship. On one extreme are the cultic teachings of Harold Camping, who advocates leaving the church because the church age has ended. More moderate examples include believers who have dropped out of their local church because of theological decay, an emphasis on methodology, and corrupt leadership. As we will discover, some illegitimately transfer these accusations to their church as they excuse themselves from its structure and accountability.</p>
<p>Some proponents of the house church idea foresee the demise of the church as we know it.</p>
<blockquote><p>“Unless the church in North America makes big changes we are facing sure death, (Reggie McNealy, Missional Church Network).</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>“American Christianity is dying. Our future is in serious jeopardy. We are deathly ill and don’t even know it,” (Neil Cole, “Organic Church”).</p></blockquote>
<p>Noted church statistician George Barna wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>“If the local church is the hope of the world, then the world has no hope.” “Local churches have virtually no influence in our culture&#8230; The church appears among entities that have little or no influence on society.” (2)</p></blockquote>
<p>Because this trend emphasizes independence, it is difficult to estimate the number of American Christians that worship in this manner. A recent Barna study demonstrates a variety of responses. When Christians were asked whether they attended a religious service in the past month in a place other than a church, approximately 24% said “yes.” However, when asked if “you participate in such a group, sometimes known as a house church or simple church, that is not associated in any way with a local, congregational type of church?” the response dropped to somewhere between 3% &#8211; 6%. (3) This statistic reveals that while gatherings such as home Bible studies are popular, the number of Christians who have left their local church is still fairly small. However, this movement is very attractive to Americans who have been raised on a strong diet of anti-institutional free thinking. Our cultural focus on independence and our resistance to authority may very well mean that the house church movement will grow in the days ahead.</p>
<p>Some of the criticisms that cause people to leave their church are valid. We are living in a time when many churches have neglected the gospel and turned their focus on numeric growth by becoming more culturally relevant. Churches have compromised the gospel with bad theology and scintillating antics meant to draw a crowd. Everything from crass talks on sex, to reviews of raunchy movies are common fare in many churches. The response from some believers is to abandon the church all together, but this is throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water. While there are a growing number of churches that have abandoned the gospel, not all churches have followed the errors of our day.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;"><br />
When the Church Began</span></h3>
<p>Buildings dedicated exclusively for Christian worship did not come along until Emperor Constantine proclaimed Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire in 325 AD. Before that, Christians worshiped in homes or public gathering places. This was not because worshiping in a home is a better way to worship. It was simply the only way to worship. During this period, Christians were persecuted by the Jews in their synagogues, and by the Romans through a series of local and empire-wide persecutions. Scripture gives us some indication regarding the places where believers met.</p>
<p><strong>Homes. </strong>Aquila and Priscilla led a church gathering that met in their house (1 Corinthians 16:19; Romans 16:5). Colossians 4:15 also indicates a church meeting in a home. But we ought not assume that this was a gathering of only a few people. The most likely place for Christians to meet would have been in a large home, rooftop or courtyard. Some Mediterranean homes were large one-family dwellings up to four stories high. (4) Architecture in this warm climate emphasized open air courtyards where large gatherings were held. Some homes could easily accommodate an assembly of up to 100 people, and it is possible that church meetings in such houses could have been at least that large. (5) Their purpose for meeting in homes was not a statement against organization or buildings. Churches during this time were carefully structured and included discipline, elders, and mission endeavors. <em>They were not the casual, free flowing meetings that are common in today’s American version of the house church. Pau</em>l’s missionary journeys were organized by the church in Antioch. Paul’s greeting in Romans 16 includes a tally of 28 individuals with at least three entire households included in the Roman church. If these people met in a home it would have been a church of at least 50 people. They met in homes out of necessity. As Kevin DeYoung writes, “They didn’t meet in homes in an effort to start the world’s first nonreligious religion.” (6)</p>
<p>The New Testament contains examples of places other than homes where the believers met. This reinforces the idea that they met where it was most convenient and practical. Other New Testament meeting places include the following:</p>
<p><strong>Solomon’s Colonnade:</strong> Acts 5:12 (7) The apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders among the people. And all the believers used to meet together in Solomon’s Colonnade.</p>
<p><strong>The Hall of Tyrannus:</strong> Acts 19:9–10 So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus. This went on for two years, so that all the Jews and Greeks who lived in the province of Asia heard the word of the Lord.<br />
The Synagogue. James 2:2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. The word “meeting” is a translation of the Greek word for Synagogue. It is possible that the majority of Jews at this location, or at least the synagogue leaders trusted Christ and their synagogue continued to be their place of worship.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;">The Beginning of Church Buildings</span></h3>
<p>Church historian Everett Ferguson gives us insight concerning the move to public buildings. “With the Constantinian peace, church buildings became public monuments, and the basilica type predominated. (This type of building) was widely used in Hellenistic and imperial times for both private and public purposes: as audience halls in homes of the wealthy and of the imperial officials, as law courts and exchange buildings on the forums, and as gathering places in the larger baths.” (9) Once it became legal to meet publicly, churches quickly utilized commonly available spaces, allowing their outreach to expand and the church to grow. This practice has been widely followed in various cultures throughout church history.</p>
<p>Today there are many places in the world where Christians meet in homes because they are not permitted to meet publicly. Under these circumstances, there is no alternative other than a house church. Missionary Kevin King reaches many Chinese students through his ministry at Columbia University in New York City. Those who trust Christ are directed to a house church that Kevin leads. He does this because he wants to provide a reproducible form of church worship that they can carry with them when they return to China. Since independent churches in China are not permitted to hold public meetings, Kevin’s example of a house church is the best way for them to learn how to lead a church in their native country.</p>
<p>Churches that meet in homes are also an important part of inner city evangelism. Many new churches begin in a home. But the fact that many churches meet in homes does not mean that every church must meet in a home. This is reductionism. Those who advocate the house church as the only legitimate way seem to be suggesting that most congregations over the past 2,000 years have been worshiping the wrong way. Such a suggestion is very misguided. By their insistence on house churches only, they silently accuse millions of Christians around the world of worshiping in the wrong way. Thanks to their superior enlightenment, the rest of us can be freed from our ignorance if we see the light as they have.<br />
New Testament principles for the local church do not focus on the form of worship, or the location of worship. These have varied from time to time and culture to culture. Rather than determining whether a group is a legitimate church by virtue of where they meet, we should examine the validity of a church according to whether it meets the requirements of the New Testament. It is by these standards that many groups meeting in homes today cannot accurately be described as fulfilling the criteria of a New Testament church.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;"> The Essentials of the Church</span></h3>
<p>1.    <strong>Properly-appointed godly elders:</strong> Nowhere in Scripture do we find self-appointed elders. Leadership must be approved by existing leadership. Every New Testament church was led by elders, and we must insist that our churches today follow the same guidelines. Churches must be led by men whose calling has been verified by other elders. Mission and church planting endeavors must have the support and backing of a church where biblical eldership is present. This continuity of leadership is essential to maintain the “faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (Jude 3).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">a.    Titus 1:5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.<br />
b.    1 Peter 5:2–3 Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, serving as overseers—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; 3 not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.</p>
<p>2.    <strong>Willing followers:</strong> A church must have followers who submit to spiritual leadership of its elders (pastors). Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.</p>
<p>3.    <strong>The preaching of the gospel:</strong> Galatians 1:9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!</p>
<p>4.    <strong>Teaching that produces mature disciples:</strong> Matthew 28:19–20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”</p>
<p>5.    <strong>Ministry through spiritual gifts:</strong> The body of Christ is diverse. Each part needs the others. Rather than isolation, the body principle emphasizes cooperation and mutual edification, as we are instructed in Romans 12:5–6, “so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.”</p>
<p>6.    <strong>Faithful administration of the ordinances:</strong> The church is required to conduct the ordinances of Christian baptism and the Lord’s Supper.</p>
<p>7.    <strong>God-centered worship:</strong> The Lord calls us “a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” Public worship is the delight and privilege of God’s people.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;"><br />
Conclusion</span></h3>
<p>The location where a church meets does not determine whether or not it is a legitimate church, or whether or not it is worshiping properly. There are Christian gatherings that meet in homes on Sunday which are not a legitimate churches. And there are groups that meet in ornate buildings with a cross and a steeple who are devoid of spiritual life and do not proclaim the Truth of the gospel.</p>
<p>Some who advocate the house church concept have a misunderstanding of the New Testament examples of house churches. They also oversimplify the problems in the church today and transfer the guilt of some churches which meet in buildings onto all churches which meet in buildings. Pastor Kevin DeYoung responds to the criticism of what house church advocate Frank Viola calls the organized church by writing, “the church is always deserving of some critique, or even a lot of critique at times, but isn’t it a bit sweeping to declare that “everything that is done in our contemporary churches has no basis in the Bible?” We should not disqualify all churches because of the gross failures of some.</p>
<p>For some believers around the world, the house church is the best, and often the only way to conduct corporate worship, teaching and the administration of the Christian ordinances. This will most likely continue until the Lord returns. There may even come a time in what was once “Christian America” where full-fledged persecution may force the closure of public church gatherings. That day has not yet come, but if it does, God’s people will continue to worship in whatever location the Lord provides.</p>
<p>We live in a culture that emphasizes isolation and independence. Many people seldom come out of their homes. Public interaction is avoided by many people who plug in their ear buds, roll up their windows, close their doors, shop online and remain in the comfort of their modern American homes More and more, we are being drawn into our own exclusive bubble of isolation. We need one another, in spite of our weaknesses, peculiarities, and failures. When there are disagreements, the Lord gives us Scriptural guidelines to resolve them. Unless your local church is teaching false doctrine or embracing sin, leaving it is not the best way to honor the Lord and encourage the body. The Lord Jesus died for the church and will return to bring her to glory. Until then, we should honor His body, the church, and embrace every opportunity to promote it’s growth.</p>
<p>____________________</p>
<p>1. Linda Stewart Ball, “House Church &#8211; Skip the Sermon, Worship at Home.” The Associated Press, Wed Jul 21, 2010, accessed August 12, 2010 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100721/ap_on_re/us_rel_religion</p>
<p>2. Quotations from Kevin DeYoung and Ted Kluck, Why We Love the Church (Chicago: Moody Press, 2009), 26-27.</p>
<p>3. The Barna Group, “How Many People Really Attend a House Church?” http://www.barna.org/organic-church-articles/291-how-many-people-really-attend-a-house-church-barna-study-finds-it-depends-on-the-definition accessed August 13, 2010</p>
<p>4. Everett Ferguson, Backgrounds of Early Christianity (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1987), 128.</p>
<p>5. DeYoung, 120.</p>
<p>6. Ibid, 120.</p>
<p>7. Scriptures taken from the Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV®. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by Biblica, Inc.™ Used by permission of Zondervan. All rights reserved worldwide. www.zondervan.com.</p>
<p>8. Fergusson, 129.</p>
<p>9. DeYoung, 117.</p>
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		<title>Burning Korans (the right way)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[You couldn&#8217;t watch or listen to the news for more than a few minutes this week without hearing about the Florida pastor&#8217;s plan to burn Korans on the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks. After it was reported that General Petraus had expressed his concerns that this could very easily put American soldiers and expatriates [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You couldn&#8217;t watch or listen to the news for more than a few minutes this week without hearing about the Florida pastor&#8217;s plan to burn Korans on the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.</p>
<p>After it was reported that General Petraus had expressed his concerns that this could very easily put American soldiers and expatriates at risk in Afghanistan and other countries, I wrote an email to Pastor Jones asking him to reconsider his plans &#8211; both as a brother in Christ and as a fellow leader in ministry.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if he actually received or read my email. But given that both the State Department and the White House have found it necessary to weigh in on this, my words seem fairly insignificant anyway.</p>
<p>It is now being reported that others are also planning to burn copies of Islam&#8217;s holy book, even though Pastor Jones may be ready to change his mind. (Although even as late as 6:00 PM on Friday evening, Fox News is reporting that it still isn&#8217;t certain exactly what he is finally going to do.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite sure that even though emotions might be running high on the eve of 9/11, there are probably few, if any, ABI readers who would remotely consider such a plan as being anything but ill-conceived and misguided for any number of practical reasons. But the bigger question is whether or not there are biblical principles that should guide and inform our thinking about this. Does the Bible have anything to say about what we can and should do concerning such religious materials &#8211; things that arguably contribute to the kind of evil worldview that spawned those horrific events nine years ago?</p>
<p>In the Old Testament we find multiple examples of God&#8217;s clear instructions to burn and destroy everything related to the worship of false gods. However, the historical context (Israel&#8217;s conquest, settlement and rule over Canaan) and God&#8217;s purpose for commanding such actions are equally clear &#8211; and we, as Christians, are not at all in a similar situation. On the other hand, there is an incident in the New Testament that does give insight into what is almost certainly the right strategy for us in this age.</p>
<p>In Acts chapter 19, we find an extended report concerning Paul&#8217;s two-year ministry in Ephesus (a city in the region that would later be at the heart of the Ottoman empire). As you may recall, at the end of those two years, Paul and his ministry team found themselves in an extremely dangerous situation. The entire city was in an uproar and they were out for blood. Crowding into the city&#8217;s amphitheater, the angry mob dragged Gaius and Aristarchus in with them as they shouted religious chants against them for two hours nonstop.</p>
<p>Do you remember what it was that ultimately sparked this riot? A religious book-burning!</p>
<p>But, who was it that was burning whose books? It was a group of men who had responded to the proclamation of the gospel &#8211; men whose hearts had been completely changed through faith in Christ &#8211; men who consequently burned<strong><em> their own</em></strong> religious books (worth a small fortune)!</p>
<p>I wonder if there might be a lesson there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Glenn Beck&#8217;s &#8220;Black-Robed Regiment&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should we be concerned about Glenn Beck&#8217;s 8/28 &#8220;Restoring Honor&#8221; rally in Washington? I have watched Glenn Beck almost every day since he has been in the 5 o&#8217;clock slot on the FoxNews channel and I agree with virtually everything that he says about the fact that we have been witnessing the decline of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3><span style="color: #800000;">Should we be concerned about Glenn Beck&#8217;s 8/28 &#8220;Restoring Honor&#8221; rally in Washington?</span></h3>
<p>I have watched Glenn Beck almost every day since he has been in the 5 o&#8217;clock slot on the FoxNews channel and I agree with virtually everything that he says about the fact that we have been witnessing the decline of the principles and values upon which this country was founded. I tend to agree with much of his analysis as to why and how this has happened. I also agree that returning the Constitution to its rightful place in the legislative and judicial realms of government, as well as &#8220;Restoring Honor&#8221; would be a good place to start to get things turned around.</p>
<p>As a patriotic American I can stand with the half-a-million people who were present at the 8/28 rally on Saturday to let it be known that the majority of the citizens in the United States are not happy about the current state of affairs. And I could stand with Glenn Beck if we were only being called upon to exercise our rights as outlined in the Constitution with the goal of restoring integrity and honor to the governance of our country.</p>
<p>Many liberal pundits and politicians are calling Beck a radical right-wing hate-monger who is leading a bunch of angry, old, white, disgruntled,  leftovers from the McCain / Palin run for the presidency. The last thing I would want is to be identified with either those who are saying such things or the caricature they have used to cynically portray the majority of decent Americans in this country.</p>
<p>However, just as with the Manhattan Declaration last fall, this issue has been taken out of the political, civil and legal realm, and brought squarely into the religious / theological realm. This presents a serious problem that seems to be lost on many who should be concerned, including a significant number of evangelical leaders who joined him on his program on Friday and who were standing with him on the platform this Saturday. Through his radio and TV programs, and now with the immeasurably successful &#8220;Restoring Honor&#8221; rally, Glenn Beck has arguably become the single most influential <em>religious </em>leader in America.</p>
<p>It is true that Mr. Beck frequently talks about the need for personal faith in Jesus Christ. He regularly uses the language of conservative evangelicalism. He has devoted entire shows to decry the liberal gospel of collective salvation through social justice reforms and its cousin, Liberation Theology.</p>
<p>However, Glenn Beck is first and foremost a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormons. He often speaks about his Mormon faith and how much it means to him. And he credits his recovery from a life of self-destruction through alcohol and an immoral lifestyle to the faith he found in the Mormon church. He was baptized into the Mormon church in 1999 by his radio talk show co-host and close friend Pat Gray.(1)</p>
<p>Now, even though he has been around for awhile, in our celebrity-driven culture, Glenn Beck has become an overnight sensation with superstar status in his new role as a spokesman for many (though certainly not all) religious conservatives. He has eclipsed presidential candidate and fellow-Mormon, Mitt Romney, and is possibly now more influential than Sarah Palin (who is known for her open identification as a born-again evangelical Christian). Again, this is a serious problem precisely because he is on a faith-based mission.</p>
<p>Beck has repeatedly insisted that the Restoring Honor rally was to be decidedly non-political in nature &#8211; and he worked hard to make sure that happened. He fervently asked his radio and television audiences to leave their signs at home and to not expect that this would be a pre-election campaign rally:</p>
<blockquote><p><span><strong> </strong>First of all: No signs. Don&#8217;t bring your signs. Bring your hearts.  Bring your open minds. That&#8217;s it. Bring your kids. Your kids are  important. If you bring a sign, you&#8217;re going to be disappointed. No  signs.(2) (<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600442,00.html">click here for transcript</a>)<br />
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<p>But more importantly, he pulled together a group of religious leaders to make sure this gathering was understood to be explicitly religious. For those that might doubt that the goal was to make Restoring Honor about a return to religion, on Monday&#8217;s program, Mr. Beck explicitly said that the whole thing was  entirely about &#8220;God and faith.&#8221; He also believes that God gave a clear sign of his approval and blessing on Saturday:</p>
<blockquote><p>I want to show you first [the] miracle that happened at&#8230;9:59, what happened was there was a flock of geese that ran. It was a flyover, if you will. Someone caught it on tape. Here&#8217;s the flyover. This was happening just as the opening music was starting. We wanted to have a flyover, but you can&#8217;t fly over in the District of Columbia. It was perfect coordination and perfect timing. Coincidence? Maybe. I think it was God&#8217;s flyover.</p>
<p>It was not supposed to happen. We couldn&#8217;t get a flyover. We couldn&#8217;t even get anybody dressed in a military uniform to present the flag. We tried for almost a year. We couldn&#8217;t get it done.</p>
<p>Thank God we had our flyover. (3) (<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600442,00.html">transcript</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>The concept to ultimately make this a religious rally can be clearly seen in an exchange months ago between Glenn Beck and historian David Barton on the April 29 Glenn Beck Show:</p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Beck:</strong> So I want to talk to you a little bit about  something else you and I talked about off-air for a while and that is  the Black Robe Brigade.</p>
<p><strong>Barton:</strong> Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Beck:</strong> And America, I&#8217;m going to ask you now if you have  your pastor or your priest or your rabbi, whoever it is, tell them to  turn on the show or take down this information because this is  important.</p>
<p>You have to do this. The media is not going to it. The  government is not going to do it. The parties are not going to do it.  They don&#8217;t care. They&#8217;re about power and control.</p>
<p>If you care about the Constitution, this is what you have to do.</p>
<p>Tell me about the Black Robe Brigade. What were they? Who were they?</p>
<p><strong>Barton:</strong> The Black Brigade or Black Regiment were the  preachers, because they wore black robes. Black preachers, white  preachers — they all wore black probes. And the British specifically  blamed the preachers for the American Revolution. That&#8217;s where the title  &#8220;Black Regiment&#8221; came from. One of the British officials talked about  that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the British so hated what the preachers —  they claim if it hadn&#8217;t been for the preachers, America would still be a  happy British colony. So they blamed it on the preachers.</p>
<p>When they come to America, they start to decimating churches.  They went to New York City. Nineteen churches — they burned 10 to the  ground. They went across Virginia burning churches. They went across New  Jersey burning churches. Because they blamed these preachers.(4) (<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,591785,00.html">transcript</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>On Friday night, at the Kennedy Center, Glenn Beck hosted a program called &#8220;Divine Destiny,&#8221; attended by approximately 1900 religious leaders who were personally invited to the event. On a section of his website devoted to FAQs about Divine Destiny, we find the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>Glenn Beck’s Divine Destiny is an eye-opening evening at the historic Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C that will help heal your soul. Guided by uplifting music, nationally-known religious figures from all faiths will unite to deliver messages reminiscent to those given during the struggles of America’s earliest days. The event will leave you with a renewed determination to look past the partisan differences and petty problems that fill our airwaves and instead focus our shared values, principles and strong belief that faith can play an essential role in reuniting the country.(5)</p></blockquote>
<p>On Friday evening, Mr. Beck was introduced by Pat Gray:</p>
<blockquote><p>This building was [filled] by invitation [to] some of the best and bravest pastors, priests, rabbis, clerics in the country. Tomorrow, we will announce the beginning of the Black-Robed Regiment. And here is what’s amazing, here’s what’s amazing, they keep saying this is a political event, and it is not. It is not a political event at all. I&#8217;m convinced that not just this event, but this time period is going to be remembered as the beginning of the great awakening in America.(6)</p></blockquote>
<p>So, it is clear that Glenn Beck&#8217;s intent was to personally recreate a Black-Robed Regiment to lead the way in &#8220;restoring honor&#8221; to our country. On yesterday&#8217;s (8/30/2010) program which was devoted to discussing the many important  aspects of the rally, one of the main focal points was the support and  platform presence of  his &#8220;Black Robe Regiment.&#8221; There were 240 religious leaders, standing arm-in-arm in a display of unity with one another, with the man who had pulled them together for this explicitly religious event <em>and with God</em>. They were there because of their desire to take a stand for truth and a return to integrity and honor in leading this nation, which is a good thing. But they were also there because of their conviction that the only solution to the problem and the only hope for the nation is a return to God &#8211; and therein lies the problem, because it begs the question, &#8220;Which God?&#8221;</p>
<p>As you listen to Glenn Beck and read the many forums where this is being discussed across the internet, you will find that what happened this weekend is being celebrated and hailed as a true breakthrough because of the diverse religious views that these 240 men and women  represent. The group consisted of Protestant pastors (including evangelicals like John Hagee), Catholic priests, Jewish rabbis and Muslim imams. <em>(I have searched everywhere on the internet for several hours trying to find a listing of these 240 religious leaders, without success. If you find anything, please let me know.)</em></p>
<p>These leaders represent such divergent views of God that we cannot think that this is a call to rally together under the banner of the God of the Bible. Allah is certainly not the God of the Bible. Jews emphatically deny that Jesus is the God of the Bible. Catholics, who are still bound by the decrees of the Council of Trent, are obligated to view evangelicals as heretics if they wish to remain true to the official teachings of the Church.</p>
<p>And then there is the god of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.</p>
<p>In her weekly e-update, &#8220;Understanding the Times,&#8221; which came out today (8/31/2010), Jan Markell (<a href="http://www.olivetreeviews.org/index.php">Olive Tree Ministries</a>) writes the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>The theme of the Friday gathering of spiritual leaders and the Saturday rally was an encouragement to turn back to God. The not-so-subtle theme was &#8220;many faiths, but one God.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe many conservative Christians would have been relieved if Glenn had not brought out Mormon doctrine that very few are familiar with. He stated at the Saturday event  that the American Indians are the &#8220;chosen people&#8221; &#8212; blatant Mormon doctrine. The crowd applauded in approval. <a href="http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6463">You can view that here at the 4:30 mark</a>.</p>
<p>He stated &#8212; and has affirmed this on his radio and television programs &#8212; that God is the only answer. While much was troublesome last weekend, who else is sticking their neck out saying we have to turn back to God and gathering hundreds of thousands in the process? It would be wonderful if Franklin Graham or even Joel Rosenberg could attract a half-million people and deliver the true gospel. We aren&#8217;t quite there yet. Again, by default, we defer to Glenn Beck.</p>
<p>The weekend opened on Friday night, Augsust 27, with Glenn&#8217;s &#8220;Divine Destiny&#8221; program which again, is straight out of Mormonism. Many participants have implied, or blatantly stated, that Glenn is a &#8220;saved Mormon&#8221; or on the way to becoming one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Leading up to the statement referred to by Jan Markell above, <a href="http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/EoM&amp;CISOPTR=4391&amp;CISOSHOW=3978&amp;REC=1|">beginning at the 3:01 mark</a>, Beck says the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>The story of America is the story of humankind. Five thousand years ago, on the other side of the planet, God&#8217;s Chosen People were led out of bondage by a guy with a stick, who was talking to a burning bush. Man first began to recognize God and God&#8217;s law. The Chosen People listened to the Lord. At the same time those things were happening, on this side, on this land, another group of people were gathered here and they, too, were listening to God.</p>
<p>How these two people came together, again, happened because people were listening to God. They didn&#8217;t have the right to worship God the way they saw fit. So, they got down on their knees &#8211; and they didn&#8217;t want to come to this land &#8211; they just did because they thought that&#8217;s what God was telling them to do. And with malice toward none, they got into their boats and they came.</p>
<p>God&#8217;s Chosen People, the Native Americans and the Pilgrims (applause).</p></blockquote>
<p>As Markell noted, this is pure Mormon doctrine. The following is from an article in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism on the Brigham Young University library website:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Book of Mormon, published in 1830, addresses a major message to Native Americans. Its title page states that one reason it was written was so that Native Americans today might know &#8220;what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon tells that a small band of Israelites under Lehi migrated from Jerusalem to the Western Hemisphere about 600 B.C. Upon Lehi&#8217;s death his family divided into two opposing factions, one under Lehi&#8217;s oldest son, laman (see Lamanites), and the other under a younger son, Nephi 1 (see Nephites).</p>
<p>During the thousand-year history narrated in the Book of Mormon, Lehi&#8217;s descendants went through several phases of splitting, warring, accommodating, merging, and splitting again. At first, just as God had prohibited the Israelites from intermarrying with the Canaanites in the ancient Promised Land (Ex. 34:16; Deut. 7:3), the Nephites were forbidden to marry the Lamanites with their dark skin (2 Ne. 5:23; Alma 3:8-9). But as large Lamanite populations accepted the gospel of Jesus Christ and were numbered among the Nephites in the first century B.C., skin color ceased to be a distinguishing characteristic. After the visitations of the resurrected Christ, there were no distinctions among any kind of &#8220;ites&#8221; for some two hundred years. But then unbelievers arose and called themselves Lamanites to distinguish themselves from the Nephites or believers (4 Ne. 1:20). (7) (<a href="http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/EoM&amp;CISOPTR=4391&amp;CISOSHOW=3978&amp;REC=1|">click here for article</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>On Sunday, John McTernan posted the following on his blog:</p>
<blockquote><p>My heart is very heavy as I write this. I attended two events led by Glenn Beck. Friday night, I was at the Kennedy Center for a Glenn Beck special. He had a gospel choir singing with a mixed group of speakers. Beck was freely talking about the &#8220;LORD.&#8221; There were speakers from other religions. He was talking about the need for a spiritual revival, who can argue about that! The problem is that Beck is a Mormon with a different Jesus.</p>
<p>There were several prayers offered at this event and NONE were made in the name of Jesus. I was deeply grieved after I left.</p>
<p>On Saturday, I attended the huge rally. If it was just political, I could accept Beck as a leader; however, it went way beyond that. I am not questioning anything about Beck&#8217;s character or motives. What I am deeply grieved about is that this was not led by the real church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Is America in such desperate spiritual condition, that masses of Christians will follow a Mormon for spiritual revival? (8) (<a href="http://johnmcternansinsights.blogspot.com/">click here for his blog</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, just as in the Manhattan Declaration, Glenn Beck is calling people of all faiths to come together &#8220;in the spirit of God&#8221; &#8211; and in keeping with Mormon doctrine, he is specifically calling together what Mormons believe are the three strands of God&#8217;s Chosen People (Jews, Christians and Native Americans) under the leadership of Beck&#8217;s new Black-Robed Regiment. <a href="http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/EoM&amp;CISOPTR=4391&amp;CISOSHOW=3978&amp;REC=1|">Beginning at 4:40</a>, he introduces the following guests who represent these three groups:</p>
<blockquote><p>I would like to introduce you to Rabbi Daniel Lapin (applause).</p>
<p>This is John and Kyla Ward. They are direct descendants of the Native Americans that met the Pilgrims on the shores as they arrived. (applause)</p>
<p>And Pastor Paul Jehle is a direct descendant from those that arrived on the Mayflower.</p>
<p>To restore America, to restore honor, we&#8217;ve got to start at the beginning and look at the pattern, when people came together, of different faiths, in the spirit of God, and the first thing they did was pray together.</p></blockquote>
<p>At this point, Pastor Jehle delivers the opening prayer for the rally in unmistakable evangelical terms, clearly naming Jesus Christ as the &#8220;Redeemer&#8221; and the &#8220;King of Kings and Lord of Lords,&#8221; closing with the words &#8220;in Christ&#8217;s name, amen.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, we have seen this before. Shortly after the Manhattan Declaration was published, Governor Mike Huckabee commented that perhaps it could be considered as comparable to Luther&#8217;s 95 Theses. And concerning the Divine Destiny event and the Restoring Honor rally, following the sentiment expressed in Pat Gray&#8217;s introduction at the Kennedy Center, NaplesNews.com published an article with the title, &#8220;The Fifth Great Awakening: The Restoring Honor Rally in Washington, D.C.&#8221; (The author, Edward Wimberley is a fairly well-known &#8220;<a href="http://www.naplesnews.com/blogs/veritas-libertas-edward-wimberley/">educator and Presbyterian minister</a>&#8220;):</p>
<blockquote><p>The Second Great Awakening occurred almost a century later and resulted in the emergence of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (the Mormons), The Seventh Day Adventist Church, The Advent Christian Church as well as the dramatic expansion of Baptists and Methodists throughout the Western States. The Third Great Awakening spanned the 1850’s through the early 1900’s and produced the “Social Gospel Movement,” Christian Science, the Holiness Denominations, and the Nazarenes. The leaders of this era included Mary Baker Eddy, Dwight L. Moody, and evangelist William Ashley “Billy” Sunday.</p></blockquote>
<p>How is it that the emergence of the Mormon church and the rise of the Social Gospel Movement can be seen as contributing factors in the Great Awakenings? Do these not instead have all the marks of being dark spiritual opposition to the broad work of the Spirit of God at specific times in this country&#8217;s history? Both movements have contributed to incredible confusion and the deception of millions of people including an alarming number from among those who would consider themselves evangelicals. That Mormonism is once again contributing to spiritual confusion, while pulling in evangelicals, is evidenced by the following comments from someone who was  at the &#8220;Restoring Honor&#8221; rally:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was actually at the 8-28 event in DC&#8230; It WAS an evangelical Christian event. Beck made some ecumenical noises up-front and I was prepared to be very disappointed, but almost every single speaker, other than Beck&#8230;and all of the major ones, were un-apologetically evangelical Christians. Their words on faith carried far more weight than Beck&#8217;s. I heard &#8220;Jesus, Lord and Savior&#8221; or similar terms through the whole program.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t understand Beck&#8217;s spiritual journey. I think that he would have considered himself a terribly back-slidden Christian 15 years ago when he was a raging alcoholic who&#8217;s life was out of control. He turned to Mormonism, found his way out of the bottle and rebuilt his life. He clearly is comfortable with evangelical Christians&#8230;he surrounds himself with them.(9)</p></blockquote>
<p>It was an &#8220;evangelical Christian event?&#8221;</p>
<p>The Naples News article continues:</p>
<blockquote><p>In a very real sense, the nation has drifted afar from its religious and patriotic foundations.</p>
<p>However, the spiritual drift of the nation ceased on Saturday October 28, 2010 on the National Mall between the Washington and Lincoln Memorials. On that day, hundreds of thousands of Americans from all walks of life and from virtually every region and ethnic community gathered together to recommit to the task of restoring America’s honor by reaffirming an individual commitment to faith, duty, honor and country.</p>
<p>This profound contemporary spiritual renewal was ushered in by the most unlikely of leaders, a recovering alcoholic, high-school graduate, and college dropout with an unsavory past. Moreover, it was predominantly (though not exclusively) a “Christian” renewal prophetically introduced by a Mormon layman.</p></blockquote>
<p>The following is from a December 23, 2007 interview with Joel Osteen by Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday,</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Wallace:</strong> And what about Mitt Romney? And I&#8217;ve got to ask you the  question, because it is a question whether it should be or not in this  campaign, is a Mormon a true Christian?<strong><br />
</strong></p>
<p><strong>Osteen:</strong> Well, in my mind they are. Mitt Romney has said that he believes in Christ as his savior, and that&#8217;s what I believe, so, you know, I&#8217;m not the one to judge the little details of it. So I believe they are.</p>
<p>And so, you know, Mitt Romney seems like a man of character and integrity to me, and I don&#8217;t think he would — anything would stop me from voting for him if that&#8217;s what I felt like.</p>
<p><strong>Wallace:</strong> So, for instance, when people start talking about Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, and the golden tablets in upstate New York, and God assumes the shape of a man, do you not get hung up in those theological issues?</p>
<p><strong>Osteen:</strong> I probably don&#8217;t get hung up in them because I haven&#8217;t really studied them or thought about them. And you know, I just try to let God be the judge of that. I mean, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I certainly can&#8217;t say that I agree with everything that I&#8217;ve heard about it, but from what I&#8217;ve heard from Mitt, when he says that Christ is his savior, to me that&#8217;s a common bond.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am deeply concerned that Mormonism may now be on a fast-track to be accepted into mainstream Christianity, and perhaps even Evangelicalism. That this is even conceivable is very troubling. Returning to Jan Markell&#8217;s article, she notes the following concerning the teachings of Mormonism:</p>
<blockquote><p>* God was born and raised on another planet.</p>
<p>* He has a harem of wives.</p>
<p>* They produce spirit-babies that are sent to earth; there they gain bodies and earn sainthood.</p>
<p>* Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.</p>
<p>* Jesus is the chosen/elected savior by a council of gods from other worlds.</p>
<p>* America is the promised land, not Israel. The holy city is Independence, Missouri, not Jerusalem. Jesus&#8217; latter-day agenda is to return to Missouri.</p>
<p>* America&#8217;s founding fathers were &#8220;spirit babies&#8221; who created a &#8220;sacred Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>* The U.S. Constitution is as sacred as the Book of Mormon. In the latter days, it will be under siege and will be saved by Mormons. Thus, we must &#8220;reclaim America&#8221; to save the Constitution and usher in a genuine age of Mormon leadership. They want to build a Mormon kingdom on earth, similar to modern day Dominionists/Kingdom Now proponents within Christianity. Founder Joseph Smith had a socialistic philosophy and wished to have a society that shared things in common.</p></blockquote>
<p>Markell&#8217;s last point is referring to something I just became aware of late last week when ABI co-founder Jimmy DeYoung alerted me to what is known in Mormonism as &#8220;The White Horse Prophecy.&#8221; The &#8220;white horse&#8221; in the prophecy by Joseph Smith is a reference to the first horse of the four horses of the Apocalypse.</p>
<p>An article about The White Horse Prophecy can be found on the pro-Mormon website, <a href="http://fairlds.org/">FAIR</a> (The Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research) at<a href="http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/whitehorse.pdf"> this link</a>. According to the prophecy, someone within the Mormon church is going to appear on the national stage to rescue the Constitution &#8211; in conjunction with a group of people that Joseph Smith identified as the &#8220;red horse.&#8221;</p>
<p>On today’s Glenn Beck Show, he emphatically reiterated that his goal is not to be a religious leader. Yet, a few minutes later, he also remarked that he believes we are now witnessing the 3rd Great Awakening— the first of which, he noted, was largely led by George Whitefield. And more than once (including again today) I have heard him infer or even state that this movement—this new awakening—is something that has started with him and which he is leading.</p>
<p>Even though I question whether or not another Great Awakening is actually underway, that someone with Mormon convictions could suggest that they might be at its forefront should be of deep concern to evangelicals. However, that a Mormon could be enthusiastically endorsed and embraced as such a leader by a significant number of conservative evangelicals seems to say far more about the state of the church in the United States than it does about Mr. Beck.</p>
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<p>1. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_rally">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_rally</a>, accessed 8/31/2010.<br />
2. <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600310,00.html">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600310,00.html</a>, accessed 8/31/2010.<br />
3. <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600442,00.html">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600442,00.html</a>, accessed 8/31/2010.<br />
4. <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600442,00.html">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,591785,00.html</a>, accessed 8/31/2010.<br />
5. <a href="http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44012/">http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44012/</a>, accessed 8/31/2010.<br />
6. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_rally#cite_note-32">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_rally#cite_note-32</a>, accessed 8/31/2010.<br />
7. <a href="http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/EoM&amp;CISOPTR=4391&amp;CISOSHOW=3978&amp;REC=1|">LSD Beliefs</a>, accessed 8/31/2010.<br />
8. <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600442,00.html">http://johnmcternansinsights.blogspot.com/</a>, accessed 8/31/2010.<br />
9. From an email to an acquaintance of mine</p>
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<div><span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #660066;"><span><strong><span style="color: #990000;">What do we make of Glenn Beck&#8217;s 8/28 rally in Washington?</span></strong></span></span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #660066;"><span><strong><span style="color: #990000;"><span style="color: #000000;"> </span></span></strong><span style="color: #990000;"><span style="color: #000000;">I  have watched Glenn Beck almost every day since he has been in the 5  o&#8217;clock slot on the FoxNews channel and I agree with virtually  everything that he says about the fact that we have been witnessing the  decline of the principles and values upon which this country was  founded. I also agree that returning the Constitution to its rightful  place in the legislative and judicial realms of government, as well as  &#8220;Restoring Honor&#8221; would be a good place to start to get things turned  around.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #660066;"><span><span style="color: #990000;"><span style="color: #000000;"> As a patriotic American I can stand with the 100s of thousands who were  present at the 8/28 rally on Saturday let it be known that the majority  of citizens in the United States are not happy with the current state  of affairs. And if I were being called upon by Mr. Beck to exercise my  civil liberties as a U.S. citizen which are guaranteed by the  Constitution, I would feel a sense of responsibility to stand with him.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #660066;"><span><span style="color: #990000;"><span style="color: #000000;"> </span></span></span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #660066;"><span><span style="color: #990000;"><span style="color: #000000;">However,  just as with the Manhattan Declaration in the fall of last year, this  issue has been taken out of the purely politcal, civil and legal realm,  and brought directly into the theological realm. This presents a problem  that seems to be lost on a significant number of evangelicals,  including leaders who joined him on his program on Friday and who were  standing on the platform with him this weekend.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 13px;">But  is this an overreaction &#8211; and is it a legitimate concern? Is it really  about more than simply a call to citizens to respond to the direction of  the country?  On Monday&#8217;s program, Beck was discussing the rally and  its importance.<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[ABI Quick Survey: What is your opinion of the July 15 CT article by Mark Galli? A couple of days ago, I published a blog (copied below) concerning an article written by Mark Galli for Christianity Today. If you have read the comments following the article on the CT website, you have seen mixed responses [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #800000;"> <strong>ABI Quick Survey: <em>What is your opinion of the July 15 CT article by Mark Galli?</em></strong></span></p>
<p>A couple of days ago, I published a blog (copied below) concerning an article written by Mark Galli for Christianity Today.</p>
<p>If  you have read the comments following the article on the CT website, you  have seen mixed responses from the readers. The majority have been  negative, but some have expressed their support, suggesting that his  perspective was appropriate and helpful.</p>
<p>I hope you will take a moment to participate in our brief survey to express your views (which we will publish in about a week).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblicalintegrity.org/surveys/index.php?sid=43742&amp;newtest=Y&amp;lang=en">Click here to take the survey</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/julyweb-only/38-41.0.html">Click here to read the Mark Galli article</a></p>
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<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Christianity Today Senior Managing Editor Mark Galli&#8217;s recent article sparks controversy.</strong></span></p>
<p>Christianity Today&#8217;s identification as &#8220;A Magazine of Evangelical  Conviction&#8221; will almost certainly be called into question once again by  many readers because of a July 15 article by Mark Galli in which he  calls God &#8220;such a drama queen.&#8221;</p>
<p>He reduces God to being little more than a totally-out-of-control diva:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;So   what we have, for better or worse, is a melodramatic God. He yells and   throws dishes, and walks off in a huff, slamming the door behind  him—and  then he turns around and gives his life for us.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The article requires no comment other than to ask, &#8220;What next?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Homosexuality and the Bible &#8211; Part III</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(This article is available in downloadable and printable PDF, 2 column article format: Click here to download) According to an April, 2009 article on MSNBC, a Washington Post/ABC poll released that month became the first to indicate that the number of Americans supporting same-sex marriages (49%) is now greater than those who oppose it (46%). [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #888888;"><em>(This  article is available in downloadable and printable PDF, 2  column  article format: <a href="http://www.biblicalintegrity.org/ABI_Report_2010-06-14_Homosexuality_and_the_Bible_Part_3.pdf" target="_blank">Click here to download</a>)</em></span></p>
<p>According to an<a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2009/04/30/4436216-poll-shows-support-for-gay-marriage"> April, 2009 article on <em>MSNBC</em></a>, a <em>Washington Post/ABC</em> poll released that month became the first to indicate that the number of Americans supporting same-sex marriages (49%) is now greater than those who oppose it (46%). Although the two numbers are within the typical poll margin-of-error of each other (±3%), there does seem to have been a significant shift in attitudes over the preceding 5-year period, when a <em>Post/ABC</em> poll put the percentage in-favor at just 32% in 2004.</p>
<p>Between 1982 and 2007, <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/108115/Americans-Evenly-Divided-Morality-Homosexuality.aspx">Gallup reported</a> a significant shift in attitudes toward the acceptability of homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle. In 1982, only 34% indicated that homosexuality &#8220;is an acceptable alternative lifestyle&#8221; with 51% indicating that it is not. However, in 2007 the numbers had more than reversed with 57% of Americans stating it is acceptable and only 40% indicating their belief that it is not.</p>
<p>On the other hand, one encouraging statistic is that over 80% of evangelicals still oppose gay marriage, with a statistically negligible shift since 2004 (according to <a href="http://pewresearch.org/pubs/868/gay-marriage">a 2008 <em>Pew Research Center</em> poll</a>). However, the pressure is on evangelicals because in the mainline churches only 40% oppose same-sex marriage &#8211; essentially the same as the <em>Post/ABC</em> poll results for the general population.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #333399;">The &#8220;Homosexuality-Neutral&#8221; View of Scripture<br />
</span></h3>
<p>Coinciding with the increasing social pressure to accept the homosexual lifestyle, is additional pressure by those who take this a step further by seeking to defend their views on biblical grounds. In most cases, the passages which have been historically understood to condemn homosexual behavior are interpreted as being at most &#8220;homosexuality-neutral&#8221; (my term). In other words, it is argued that these passages were not intended to address the issue of loving homosexual relationships, but rather inappropriate sexual behavior in general, that in some cases simply happened to involve homosexual acts.</p>
<p>The following quote, from the <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/"><em>ReligiousTolerance.org</em> website</a>, seems to capture this view of homosexuality in the Bible as commonly held by the average liberal / progressive Christian. (<a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/homglance.htm">reference</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p>To many &#8212; not all &#8212; liberal/progressive believers, the Bible is silent on loving, consensual same-sex sexual behavior. God accepts persons of all sexual orientations and approves of sex that is consensual, non-manipulative, safe and within a loving, committed relationship. Liberals and progressive have a range of beliefs concerning save, consensual, and casual sex by heterosexuals, bisexuals or homosexuals.</p>
<p>However the Bible condemns:<br />
• Male rape of other men.<br />
• One of two behaviors:<br />
<span style="color: #ffffff;">&#8211;</span>- Either men engaging in ritual sex in Pagan temples, or<br />
<span style="color: #ffffff;">&#8211;</span>- Men having sex in a woman&#8217;s bed.<br />
• People having sex that violates their sexual orientation. For example:<br />
<span style="color: #ffffff;">&#8211;</span>- Heterosexuals having sex with a member of the same sex.<br />
<span style="color: #ffffff;">&#8211;</span>- Homosexuals having sex with a member of the opposite sex.<br />
• Men sexually abusing children. The passage also condemns young victims of sexual molestation.<br />
• People engaging in bestiality: having sex with non-humans.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some gay Christians would contend that the Bible condemns only promiscuous homosexual behavior (not homosexuality in general), just as it condemns heterosexual promiscuity.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #333399;">Passages Cited as Affirming Same-sex Relationships</span></h3>
<p>Beyond arguing against traditional interpretations of certain passages, some Christian gay groups also cite other passages which they claim affirm same-sex relationships. One such group is <em><a href="http://www.gaychristian101.com/index.html">Gay Christianity 101</a></em>, which contends that the relationship between David and Jonathan was explicitly homosexual <a href="http://www.gaychristian101.com/David-and-Jonathan.html">(reference)</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Did God bless David  and Jonathan, a same sex couple in romantic, committed, sexual  partnership? The Bible devotes more chapters to their love story than  any other human love story in the Bible. What does God intend us to  learn from that dramatic emphasis?</p>
<p>Many gays believe that Jonathan and David were same sex lovers,  based on the way God presents their story in scripture and based on the  Hebrew words used to describe their relationship.</p></blockquote>
<p>Although <em>Gay Christianity 101</em> acknowledges that this is not the view of even most gay Christians, it is the one, as a gay-friendly ministry, they hold and promote. After presenting six other possible interpretations, it is concluded that a seventh one best fits the text. (<a href="http://www.gaychristian101.com/David-Loved-Jonathan.html">reference</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p>David  loved Jonathan. In reminiscing about Jonathan, David describes  Jonathan’s love to him as “wonderful, passing the love of women-wives.”</p>
<p>To make David’s statement refer to platonic friendship, <em>‘I was  closer to Jonathan than to any of my close female friends’</em> is a  woefully inadequate understanding of the text.</p>
<p>Because Jewish men  in David’s time did not have close, platonic friendships with females  to whom they were not related by blood or marriage, it better fits the  text to accept David’s statement at face value.</p>
<p>The romantic,  emotional, sexual love between Jonathan and David was more wonderful  than the romantic, emotional, sexual love between David and his wives.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is also suggested by some that Ruth and Naomi had a sexual relationship as did Daniel and Ashpenaz (both in a brochure on the state of Connecticut&#8217;s website, <a href="http://www.ct.gov/dcf/lib/dcf/child_welfare_services/pdf/homosexuality_and_the_bible_-__large_brochure.pdf">Homosexuality and the Bible</a>, p. 13). Other passages which are said to involve homosexuals who are not condemned (and therefore at least implicitly affirm them), include Matthew 8 and Luke 7 concerning <a href="http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Centurion.html">the Roman centurion</a>, and Acts 8 concerning the <a href="http://www.gaychristian101.com/Same-Sex-Attracted-Eunuchs.html">Ethiopian eunuch</a>.</p>
<p>_________________</p>
<p>In the remainder of this article (and at least one subsequent article), it will be demonstrated that the attempts to find homosexuality-compatible interpretations fail to  adequately handle the relevant passages, while the historical condemnation of homosexuality has solid biblical support.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #993300;"><strong><span style="color: #333399;">Arguments for the Neutrality of Scripture Regarding Homosexuality</span><br />
</strong></span></h3>
<p><span style="color: #993300;"><strong>GENESIS 19 AND THE CITY OF SODOM</strong></span></p>
<p>In dealing with the exegesis of 19:5, the author of an article titled  &#8220;<em><a href="http://stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/Genesis.php">Bible Abuse  Directed at Homosexuals</a></em>&#8221; makes the following argument:</p>
<blockquote><p>The  key verb here, transliterated ya,da (or yadha’ ) , is usually  translated as “know.” This verb appears 943 times elsewhere in the  Hebrew Scriptures, where it generally means “to know a fact” or “to know  a person well.” It has an obvious sexual connotation in only ten of  these cases, all of which involve heterosexual relationships.</p>
<p>The  translation, then, could have the following meanings:</p>
<p>* Gang rape  the angels (a common way to humiliate men – especially enemies – at the  time);<br />
* Engage in consensual homosexual sex with them (possibly what the NIV  translators intended with “have sex with them”);<br />
* Interrogate them. (The city had in the recent past been sacked, and  the strangers might have been spies sent to check out the fortifications  which provided some protection for the trade routes that passed the  city.)</p>
<p>In choosing the proper meaning, consider this. In Biblical  times, travel was slow and dangerous, and safe places to rest were few.  Travelers could only pray for the hospitality of strangers – an  important theme in the Bible. And Jews, having been ill-treated  travelers in Egypt, had particular reason to be hospitable, and emphasis  on it permeates Jewish law. For many reasons, hospitality, once  offered, could not be breached.<em> </em></p></blockquote>
<p><em>Gay Christianity 101</em> also endorses the inhospitality view (<a href="http://www.gaychristian101.com/Sodom.html">reference</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>For almost 1800 years after the events in Sodom, Jewish  prophets in the  Bible and Jewish authors outside the Bible, understood  this story to be  about inhospitality, not homosexuality. Sodom is  mentioned 48 times in  the Bible and never in those 48 passages is  homosexuality given as the  cause of God&#8217;s judgment. Isn&#8217;t that  interesting? Have you given that  astounding fact the weight it deserves  in your thinking about this true  story?</p></blockquote>
<p>Some contend that rather than the sin of the Sodomites being  homosexuality in general,  it was that they intended to homosexually  rape the angels (who appeared as men) as a means of humiliating them as  their enemies. (<a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/hombibg191.htm">reference</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p>Most  feel that Genesis 19 is totally unrelated to  consensual same-sex  behavior.</p>
<p>It is obvious that Lot wanted to protect the angels  from the city  mob. The people of Sodom, having recently been under  attack by  foreigners, might have been worried that the angels were  really military  spies. Alternately, the mob might have wanted to  humiliate the  strangers with homosexual rape which is as abhorrent as  heterosexual  rape.</p></blockquote>
<p>Furthermore, concerning Sodom, <em>Gay Christian 101</em> states what it calls &#8220;six surprising facts&#8221; (<a href="http://www.gaychristian101.com/Sodom.html">reference</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>1. Genesis 19 never mentions homosexuals in Sodom.</p>
<p>2. Genesis 19 never mentions a homosexual act being committed in  Sodom.</p>
<p>3. Scripture never mentions a same sex relationship in Sodom.</p>
<p>4. Scripture never tells us that the inhabitants of Sodom were  homosexuals.</p>
<p>5. Scripture never tells us that God destroyed Sodom because of  homosexuality.</p>
<p>6. Sodomite, in scripture, never refers to homosexuals. Every time  sodomite is used in scripture, it refers to cult, shrine, temple  prostitutes who worshiped the Canaanite fertility goddess.</p></blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #993300;">A BIBLICAL  RESPONSE</span></h3>
<p><span style="color: #333399;"><strong>Genesis 19</strong></span></p>
<p>Sodom and Gomorrah are first mentioned in Genesis 10:13,  with the  second  reference in chapter 13:10-13, where the men of these  cities are   characterized as being &#8220;exceedingly wicked and sinful  against the  Lord.&#8221; In other passages in Genesis (7:19; 15:1; 16:10;  17:2, among  others) where the Hebrew is translated &#8220;exceedingly&#8221; by the  NKJV the  context indicates that the word carries the force of &#8220;beyond  measure.&#8221;  That the lack of hospitality, even to the point of actual ill-treatment, would be described as &#8220;wickedness beyond measure&#8221; seems very unlikely.</p>
<p>And while it is true that the  author of  Hebrews writes, &#8220;Do not forget   to entertain strangers, for  by so doing  some have  unwittingly   entertained angels&#8221; (Hebrews  13:2), it seems  immediately apparent that   the problem in Sodom was  not simply that of  not being hospitable. Even   if their treatment of strangers went so far as to warrant a  rebuke in that  Near-Eastern   culture, the suggestion  that God would  have utterly destroyed these   cities for this reason  just does not seem  to merit serious   consideration.</p>
<p>The suggestion that the passage could possibly refer to the men of Sodom simply wanting to interrogate the angels just doesn&#8217;t seem plausible as a cause for inviting God&#8217;s judgment. For a country on a war-footing, having genuine concerns about the motives of foreigners who just showed up could hardly have been considered outrageously wicked behavior. Also, there is nothing in the text that indicates there was concern that these foreigners might be spies in the first place. And of course they had made no initial attempts to hide as they planned to spend the night in the town square (19:2).</p>
<p>Furthermore, the men of the city threatened to treat Lot worse than they intended to treat these strangers, which is clearly a threat of violence (19:9). But even if the treatment that the strangers would receive as captives under interrogation would have been sufficient to warrant judgment by God, this is ultimately a moot point. God had already determined to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah prior to the angels entering the city.</p>
<p>The passage certainly rules out the  possibility that the men of Sodom were hoping for a consensual same-sex encounter with the angels (who were obviously thought to be men). But even though gang-rape is fairly clearly in view, neither was this intended detestable act the reason for their coming destruction. Again, God&#8217;s stated intent, prior to their arrival, was to wipe out the entire society &#8211; because of a lifestyle so wicked and so prevalent that fewer than even ten decent people could be found.</p>
<p>Sodom and Gomorrah were apparently Canaanite &#8211; a culture known to be one of the most morally reprehensible in history. The Canaanite fertility cult involved both  heterosexual and homosexual encounters with male and female shrine  prostitutes. With this in mind, consider this question: Is it reasonable to think that the &#8220;beyond-measure&#8221; wickedness of these cities could have  somehow excluded sexual debauchery as at least a significant part of the basis for their annihilation?</p>
<p>Additionally, the overall flow of the narrative seems to suggest a direct connection between the incident with the angels and Sodom&#8217;s societal wickedness. What they were demanding was not something new to them. And certainly it must be asked if such an utterly wicked warfare tactic like gang-rape could even be considered if sexual debauchery were not already characteristic of the entire culture. And, as we know, all the men of the city came out and surrounded Lot&#8217;s house.</p>
<p>At this point, it could be argued that we&#8217;re still not talking about loving, monogamous same-sex relationships &#8211; but about a culture that was characterized by adulterous relationships, both hetero- and homosexual. However, I think there is one more element of the story that specifically pinpoints homosexual behavior itself as the ultimate trigger for the execution of God&#8217;s wrath (independent of whether or not it was occurring in a &#8220;loving, monogamous&#8221; relationship).</p>
<p>The inescapable problem with the homosexuality-neutral view of Genesis 19 involves Lot&#8217;s daughters. No one on either side of the debate would defend rape of any kind as morally acceptable. So, whether the rape would be against Lot&#8217;s daughters or against the angels (again, who were thought to be men) is another moot point in and of itself.</p>
<p>This means that there had to be some incredibly significant reason why Lot would be willing to allow even his own daughters to be brutally raped by an out-of-control mob rather than turn over the two angels to them. (And nothing indicates that Lot had any reason to think his guests were not men.)</p>
<p>So, what was this additional factor that struck terror in Lot&#8217;s heart as he contemplated this no-win situation? Could it be that Lot so clearly understood that homosexuality is such a detestable abomination in the Lord&#8217;s sight that he was unwilling to allow the sin of a homosexual encounter to be added to the sin of rape?</p>
<p>Earlier it was noted that not even ten righteous people were to be found in Sodom. But the obvious implication is that there was not a single person in  Sodom who was not guilty of whatever specific sin (or category of sin) was in view. Given the overall wickedness of the Canaanite culture &#8211; which even included child sacrifice &#8211; what could have been the unique sin of Sodom and Gomorrah among all of the Canaanite cities?</p>
<p>And there is yet another factor that hasn&#8217;t been noted concerning Genesis 13:13:</p>
<blockquote><p>But the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the Lord.</p></blockquote>
<p>The word translated &#8220;men&#8221; does not simply mean &#8220;people&#8221; in the generic sense &#8211; it literally means &#8220;men,&#8221; i.e., &#8220;the males of Sodom.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, it appears that the &#8220;exceedingly&#8221; wicked sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was uniquely committed by the men of those cities &#8211; and it involved all of the men. As bad as it would have been for the men to gang-rape their enemies, or worship their gods through encounters with male shrine prostitutes &#8211; the overall situation was worse than that. The society was dominated by male homosexuality. And the seriousness of this situation brought the complete destruction and utter desolation of those cities as God hurled fire and brimstone &#8211; annihilating every man, woman and child &#8211; and everything that had life. Only the judgment of the Flood exceeded the judgment that God brought upon Sodom and Gomorrah on that day.</p>
<p>In the next article in this series, we will examine other passages to see if the biblical record as a whole supports the view that homosexual behavior, independent of the context in which it occurs, is the sin that incurred God&#8217;s wrath in Genesis 19.</p>
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<p><em>Bruce Waltk</em><em>e is one of the most well-known Old Testament scholars in the Reformed tradition of this generation. Known by many as a conservative, his comments made in a recently-released 2009 interview may have created one of the most significant theological firestorms to sweep through the evangelical community in recent memory.</em></p>
<p><em>(This issue has generated a tremendous number of articles, blogs and comments and because of the sheer volume it has become very difficult to trace everything back to the primary sources for the information I have reported below. However, I do believe that the picture I have presented is accurate.)</em></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #800000;">&#8220;Bruce Waltke: Why Must the Church Accept Evolution?&#8221;</span><em><br />
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<p>On March 24, the<a href="http://biologos.org/blog/"> <em>Science and Sacred blog</em></a> of the <em><a href="http://biologos.org/">Biologos Forum</a></em> posted a 2009 interview in which Dr. Waltke made definitive statements defending theistic evolution, while simultaneously marginalizing and potentially alienating all who still hold to a literal six-day-creation view of Genesis. In the video titled <em>Bruce Waltke: Why Must the Church Accept Evolution?</em> Dr. Waltke makes the following statement*:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;if the data is overwhelmingly in favor of evolution, to deny that  reality will make us a cult…some odd group that is not really  interacting with the world. And rightly so, because we are not using our  gifts and trusting God’s Providence that brought us to this point of  our awareness.</p>
<h6><span style="color: #333333;">(Quoted in an April 9, 2010 article on <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2010/04/ot_scholar_bruc.html" target="_blank">the Christianity Today website</a></span> and on many other sites)</span></h6>
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<h6><span style="color: #808080;"><span style="color: #333333;">* I have not  been able to locate the video  anywhere on the internet as it has apparently been taken down everywhere. However, that this is an accurate quote is corroborated by many websites.</span><br />
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<p>At the time the video debuted, Dr. Waltke had been a professor of Old Testament at <a href="http://www.rts.edu/">Reformed Theological Seminary</a> (RTS) for more than 20 years, but <a href="http://www.rts.edu/newsevents/newsdetails.aspx?news_id=1370">his resignation from the seminary was reported</a> on April 6. <a href="http://biologos.org/blog/why-must-the-church-come-to-accept-evolution-an-update/"><em>Biologos</em> reports</a> that on March 29 he was asked by the seminary to request that the video be taken down. <em>Miscellanies: a Christ-centered blog</em> reported a <a href="http://spurgeon.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/waltke-on-waltke-on-the-evolution-video/">clarification </a>by Dr. Waltke on March 31 in which he continues to affirm that Adam and Eve are historical figures from whom all humans descended.*</p>
<h6><span style="color: #333333;">*Although I have not yet found the original, that this is accurate is also corroborated by other websites carrying the same statement.</span></h6>
<p>Although some early reports indicated that RTS had essentially forced his resignation, Dr. Waltke and seminary Chancellor and CEO Robert (Ric) Cannada have subsequently issued a joint statement that this is not true. Dr. Waltke tendered his resignation because of the harm the video was causing RTS and his resignation was accepted as being in the best interests of RTS. (for a post of Bruce Waltke&#8217;s statement, <a href="http://mgpcpastor.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/statements-from-bruce-waltke-rts-on-resignation/">click here</a>; for Ric Cannada&#8217;s statement, <a href="http://www.rts.edu/newsevents/newsdetails.aspx?news_id=1371">click here</a>).</p>
<p>On April 30, the board of Knox Theological Seminary approved the appointment of Dr. Bruce Waltke as Distinguished  Professor of Old Testament. (<a href="http://knoxseminary.edu/Forms/Dr.%20Bruce%20Waltke.pdf">the KTS statement</a>) (Knox Theological Seminary is a ministry of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, a member of the PCA.)</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;">This &#8220;Will Make Us A Cult&#8221;</span></h3>
<h6><span style="color: #333333;">The Alliance for Biblical Integrity<em> holds to Young-Earth Creationism (YEC) and I will deal with some of the specific scientific and exegetical issues in the evolution / creation debate at some point in the future. However, in this article, I am limiting my comments to the general theological and philosophical problems of evolution, including those associated with marginalizing Young-Earth Creationists by suggesting we may eventually be viewed as a cult.</em></span></h6>
<p>To be fair, Dr. Waltke has stated that he would have given the video a different title and that the interview was edited in such a way to make him appear to be making stronger statements than he intended against those who don&#8217;t agree with his views on theistic evolution. The following has been posted on a third-party blog as being copied from <a href="http://spurgeon.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/waltke-on-waltke-on-the-evolution-video/">a statement on his Facebook site</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am not a scientist, but I have familiarized myself with attempts to  harmonize Genesis 1-3 with science, and I believe that <em>creation</em> by the process of evolution is a tenable Biblical position.  I  apologize for giving the impression that others who seek to harmonize  the two differently are not credible. I honor all who contend for the  Christian faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>However, the statement concerning the problem of being labeled a cult does not seem to simply be an off-the-cuff remark in an unguarded moment. And even if he might state it differently in retrospect or if this was not his intention, his comments do reflect a widely-held view that YEC is only held by those on the anti-intellectual fringe of conservative evangelicalism. Of course, this has been the consensus of the scientific establishment for as long as anyone can remember. But Dr. Waltke&#8217;s words seem to imply that we <em>legitimately </em>run the risk of this becoming the <em>common </em>consensus&#8212;which would necessarily include that of the evangelical community in general.</p>
<p>It seems surprising that Dr. Waltke would use the word &#8220;cult&#8221; so loosely and imprecisely. &#8220;Cult&#8221; is almost exclusively reserved for groups that deny the deity of Christ, yet it seems unlikely that he is suggesting that rejecting theistic evolution is somehow even close to being equivalent to such heresy. So why even use this term&#8212;even if to stress his concern that those who continue to hold this position run the risk of losing credibility? At the very least, the term is unnecessarily inflammatory.</p>
<p>The reasoning behind Dr. Waltke&#8217;s statement is also puzzling. Ultimately, a primary reason for us to be concerned about being labeled a cult for any reason must be that the gospel message we proclaim will be rejected as a result. But who would reject our gospel over the question of beginnings if not those who already reject it on other grounds&#8212;including many in the scientific community?</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;">Will Theistic Evolution Really Help The Cause Of The Gospel?</span></h3>
<p>Is it reasonable to expect that Muslim intellectuals will accept the deity of Christ if&#8212;or <em>because</em> evangelical Christians accept theistic evolution? Will Hindu biologists accept the concept of the triune personal God of the Bible if&#8212;or <em>because</em> evangelical Christians reject Young-earth Creationism? Will liberal Protestants return to the biblical gospel of personal redemption through faith in Jesus Christ alone if&#8212;or <em>because</em> evangelical Christians embrace their view of Genesis 1-11 as merely a collection of myths? Will even one materialistic evolutionist recognize that he has been wrong about God&#8217;s existence if&#8212;or <em>because</em> evangelical Christians recognize that they have been wrong about Darwin&#8217;s theory?</p>
<p>The answer to these questions seems intuitively obvious. These groups all rejected the biblical gospel long before the evolution / creation debate became a scientific issue, a social cause, a cultural phenomenon or a political football. And if anything, the deepening rejection of the gospel within academia has tracked right with the movement away from a literal view of creation &#8211; and not even pretending to slow down at theistic evolution on its way to atheistic evolution. Despite Dr. Waltke&#8217;s long years of ministry and work in the rigorous field of theological academics, his comments seem oddly naive.</p>
<p>From a scientific perspective, don&#8217;t the twin issues of the resurrection from the dead and life-after-death pose least as much of an obstacle as evolution? Concerning the case for the resurrection, the only evidence consists of historical records. Concerning the case for life-after-death the only arguments are purely philosophical / theological. There is no empirical evidence that the spiritual realm exists, apart from a few spurious claims to the contrary. Anecdotal reports of common near-death experiences do not constitute scientific proof. But even if such proof did exist, it would not produce a rush by the scientific community or anyone else to trust in Christ for salvation, because lack of evidence is not the real issue.</p>
<p>Another significant issue is that of Adam and Eve. In a <a href="http://spurgeon.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/waltke-on-waltke-on-the-evolution-video/">post-video follow-up</a>, Waltke states:</p>
<blockquote><p>1.	Adam and Eve are historical figures from whom all humans are  descended; they are uniquely created in the image of God and as such are  not in continuum with animals.</p>
<p>2.	Adam is the federal and historical head of the fallen human race  just as Jesus Christ is the federal and historical head of the Church.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how Dr. Waltke&#8217;s present position will give him much more credibility as long as he continues to maintain that Adam and Eve were historical figures. Sooner or later, he will have no choice but to abandon one view or the other. Apart from the scientific problems, the virtually insurmountable nature of the logical and theological problems can readily be seen by anyone who thinks through the issue. (These will be discussed later.)</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;">Is Theistic Evolution The Only Credible View?</span></h3>
<p>Apparently, Dr. Waltke has not always thought so. In an article on biblical cosmogony in the Jan.-Mar. 1975 edition of <em>Bibliotheca Sacra</em>, Dr. Waltke asked the question:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why has the new generation turned from the theologian to the scientist for the answer to his nagging question about the origin of the universe? (<a href="http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Waltke-Cosmogony-BSac.pdf">&#8220;The Creation Account in Genesis 1-3&#8243;</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>In the quote from the video, and in the subsequent clarification, one cannot deduce for sure that Dr. Waltke has completely ruled out the possibility that the Genesis account can be taken literally. However, he does seem to be very close to that position&#8212;particularly in light of his resignation from RTS.  This leads us to wonder what has happened over the last 35 years that has caused him to change his views regarding evolution if his high view of Scripture hasn&#8217;t changed, as well&#8212;something which he also maintains.</p>
<p>Although Dr. Waltke has made it clear that he holds to theistic evolution (as opposed to naturalistic evolution), it is not at all clear that he held to any form of evolution in 1975. In explaining his position in this article, Dr. Waltke refers to a lecture he gave as a guest speaker in a course on genetics at Southern Methodist University, during which he appeared to defend the literal creationist position. His basic thesis was that evolution, like creationism, is a faith position which cannot be scientifically proven.</p>
<blockquote><p>During the questioning session that followed the lecture, the basic thesis was accepted by both professor and students, but their next question was, &#8220;Why should we accept your faith position instead of ours?&#8221;</p>
<p>Now the author is not suggesting that by this one experience he has refuted the hypothesis of evolution, but he is maintaining that all answers which attempt to explain the origin of the universe are essentially faith positions. The question that the LORD asked of Job is asked of every man: &#8220;Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The following is an excellent statement that he made in the same article under the section, &#8220;The Importance of Cosmogony.&#8221; (If Dr. Waltke&#8217;s views haven&#8217;t fundamentally changed since 1975, it seems odd that  after 20 years it would only now be in the best interests of RTS for him to  leave the school.)</p>
<blockquote><p>But it may be asked, &#8220;What difference does all this make?&#8221; It is important because the question of cosmogony is closely related to one&#8217;s entire world view. Someone has said that our world view is like the umpire at a ball game. He seems unimportant and the players are hardly aware of him, but in reality he decides the ball game. So likewise one&#8217;s world view lies behind every decision a person makes. It makes a difference whether we come from a mass of matter or from the hand of God. How we think the world started will greatly influence our understanding of our identity, our relationship to others, our values, and our behavior. Because the question of cosmogony is important for understanding some of the basic issues of life, intelligent men throughout recorded history have sought the answer to this question. Just as the knowledge of the future is crucial for making basic choices in life, so also the knowledge of beginnings is decisive in establishing a man&#8217;s or a culture&#8217;s Weltanschauung (&#8220;world view&#8221;). No wonder the Bible reveals both.</p>
<p>Because of man&#8217;s limitation as a creature, he must receive this knowledge by revelation from the Creator. Moreover, because of the noetic effects of sin, he needs to be reborn before he can comprehend that revelation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Scientists now regularly state that evolution is no longer a theory, but a proven fact&#8212;and it would appear that Dr. Waltke has become persuaded that this is true. However, the problem he cites above has not changed, and in fact, it cannot change. As he notes, &#8220;The answer is beyond the range of empirical proof&#8221; and this is because it involves events that happened in the past.</p>
<p>For the sake of argument, let&#8217;s assume that God has created the universe such that macro-evolution can actually occur without his ongoing intervention. That macro-evolution <em>could</em> happen and that it <em>actually did</em> happen are two entirely separate issues. The only way there can be a necessary relationship between the two is if God does not exist&#8212;and that is precisely the starting point for atheistic evolutionists.</p>
<p>But this begs the question for theistic evolutionists, as well. If theistic evolution is true, then either evolution <em>requires </em>God&#8217;s intervention or God <em>unnecessarily chose</em> to be involved. However, this presents a conundrum. The evidence and arguments required for theistic evolutionsists to maintain that God is necessary at some point in the process are essentially the same ones used by Young-earth Creationists. So, what is the advantage when trying to persuade anyone either of God&#8217;s existence or of the truth of the Gospel? If the arguments are essentially the same, then on what grounds do Young-earth Creationists run the risk of being labeled a cult any more than the theistic evolutionist who also maintains the view that Christ arose from the grave to be alive forevermore&#8212;a view that most scientists would claim to be decidedly &#8220;unscientific.&#8221;</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000;">Irreconcilable Practical and Theological Problems</span></h3>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ultimately, theistic evolution creates far more problems than it solves. This is not simply an issue of whether or not a given passage should be understood figuratively or literally. Below are just a few of the many questions and problems raised by the theory of theistic evolution.</span></span></p>
<h4><span style="color: #333399;">If theistic evolution is true in general&#8230;</span></h4>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• Wouldn&#8217;t death have been a part of life for the millions of years prior to the fall of Adam and Eve?</span></span></p>
<p>• Wouldn&#8217;t biological decay have occurred over the eons, as well?</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• Wouldn&#8217;t have all the forces of nature that we observe today been at work also&#8212;i.e., destructive weather and geological phenomena?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• What, exactly, </span></span>were the effects of the Fal<span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">l, if death, destruction and decay had been an inherent part of the creation from the beginning?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• </span></span>How could God pronounce that all he created was &#8220;good,&#8221; if death,  destruction and decay had been an inherent part of the creation<span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"> </span></span> from the beginning?</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• How could it be determined scientifically which parts of the evolutionary process were immediately and necessarily guided by the hand of God, and which ones could have happened without God&#8217;s direct intervention?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• How would the answer to the previous question fundamentally differ from the arguments used by Young-earth Creationists?</span></span></p>
<h4><span style="color: #333399;">If Adam and Eve were created instantaneously millions to billions of years after the initial creation&#8230;</span><span style="color: #333399;"><span style="color: #999999;"><br />
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<h5><span style="color: #333399;"> </span></h5>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• How can it be explained that Adam and Eve were placed in an environment that was already marked by death, destruction and decay?<br />
</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• Were Adam and Eve created to live forever in such an environment?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• Did God also at that time create the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil or are these simply metaphorical?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• What, exactly, did Adam and Eve do to bring about their spiritual and physical death, </span></span>if these things  are only metaphorical?</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• Why did Moses include the details about cherubim and a flaming sword guarding the entrance to the Garden&#8212;and how should we understand this passage, </span></span>if these things  are only metaphorical<span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">?<br />
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<h4><span style="color: #333399;">If instead of Adam and Eve being independently created, lower life forms had evolved into hominids over the millennia&#8230;</span></h4>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• Would it be proper to say that Adam and Eve were animals prior to God breathing into them the breath of life so that they became &#8220;living souls?&#8221;<br />
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<p>•<span style="color: #800000;"> </span> Would it be reasonable to assume that  only two<span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"> such animals had evolved or that these were the only two among many which became living souls&#8212;which would be required for them to be the only progenitors of the human race?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• Wouldn&#8217;t it be reasonable to suggest that there were many such hominids at that time, who were biologically identical to humans and looked exactly like humans, but really were not?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">• What would have prevented procreation between humans and biologically identical hominids&#8212;or is it possible that this actually happened?<br />
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<p>• What happened to all of these pre-human animals?<br />
<span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">__________________</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">These are not absurd questions. And because of these and many others that could be posed, it doesn&#8217;t seem that theistic evolution could possibly be more acceptable to unbelievers than Young-earth Creationism. When carefully considered, it actually seems that theistic evolution could be viewed by naturalistic evolutionists as even more foolish and logically inconsistent than YEC.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">I understand there are some significant difficulties that remain to be addressed by YEC from a scientific perspective. However, theistic evolution introduces at least as many problems because science and biblical theology must still be reconciled&#8212;which is obviously not a burden for naturalistic evolutionists.<br />
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<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t to see how either Dr. Waltke&#8217;s position on theistic evolution or his comments are in any way helpful to conservative evangelicals and the cause of Christ.</span></span></p>
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		<title>Homosexuality and the Bible &#8211; Part II</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 18:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(This article is available in downloadable and printable PDF, 2 column article format: Click here to download) Homosexuality and the Believer&#8217;s Identity in Christ But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor [...]]]></description>
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<h3><span style="color: #000080;">Homosexuality and the  Believer&#8217;s Identity in Christ</span></h3>
<blockquote><p>But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to  become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were  born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of  man, but of God. (John 1:12–13, NKJV)</p></blockquote>
<p>There  are many things that distinguish Christianity from the religions of the  world, not the least of which is the believer&#8217;s identity in  Christ. In other religions, philosophies and worldviews, one&#8217;s identity &#8211;  how we view and value ourselves, and how we are viewed and valued by others &#8211; is  inseparably tied to an endless list of things like ethnicity, gender, appearance, physical and mental abilities (or  disabilities), skills, talents and anything else that we think helps us to order the world around us. We use these to identify ourselves and others, while also usually comparing  ourselves to others.</p>
<p>However, in Christ our unique  identity as individuals is properly found only in and through our relationship with Him. For those of us who have trusted in Christ for salvation, we are first and  foremost children of God. As such, we are heirs and joint heirs with Jesus  Christ.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children  of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with  Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified  together. (Romans 8:16–17, NKJV)</p></blockquote>
<p>Through faith  in Christ and his finished work on the cross, God mercifully forgives our sin and graciously gives us the free gift of eternal life.</p>
<blockquote><p>But now having been  set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit  to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is  death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.  (Romans 6:22–23, NKJV)</p></blockquote>
<p>Whatever we may have been through our physical birth has been transformed through our spiritual rebirth.</p>
<blockquote><p>Therefore,  if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things  have passed  away; behold, all things have become new. (2 Corinthians  5:17, NKJV)</p>
<h3><span style="color: #000080;"> </span></h3>
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<blockquote><p>Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9–11, NKJV)</p></blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #000080;">A Manufactured Complexity</span></h3>
<p>Unfortunately, more and more within the church are asking, &#8220;What does this have to do with homosexuality?&#8221; And unfortunately, more and more are answering, &#8220;Very little, if anything.&#8221; However, this has not been the historically-accepted view &#8211; and with good reason: God has clearly and unambiguously  condemned homosexuality in the Scriptures as sinful. And yet, that this is true is  being increasingly challenged &#8211; even by some who would identify themselves as part of the evangelical community.</p>
<p>These challenges to the historical view seem to fall primarily along two lines of reasoning. The first has to do with the issues of physiology that I mentioned in the first article in this series. This challenge ultimately seeks to discredit the accuracy and authority of the Bible on the basis of ignorance on the part of the biblical writers. And in reality, it is simply part of the tired, yet oft-repeated argument that the Bible was written by people in ancient societies who lacked the cultural sophistication and scientific knowledge that we now possess. Therefore, we have wrongly condemned something that the Bible wrongly condemns.</p>
<p>The second line of reasoning is arguably more insidious because it superficially gives the impression that the inspiration and authority of the Bible is being kept intact. In this case, it is argued that it is not the accuracy of the text that is being challenged, but rather, the historical interpretation of the text. In other words, the contention is that for centuries even scholars have misinterpreted the passages which mention &#8220;homosexuality.&#8221; It is maintained that the inherent meaning of certain words has been misunderstood or that there has been a failure to understand the cultural context. Therefore, we have wrongly condemned something that the Bible doesn&#8217;t really condemn.</p>
<p>However, I believe that both lines of reasoning unnecessarily introduce layers of complexity to an issue which is not nearly as complex in general as it is often made out to be (even though it may be somewhat complex in certain instances). Whether intentional or not, the apparent complexity introduced by both the quest for the &#8220;homosexual gene&#8221; and for obscured meanings in the biblical text must be ultimately viewed as being driven by the pursuits of those whose hearts are darkened by sin and who seek to suppress the knowledge of the truth.</p>
<blockquote><p>For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. (Romans 1:18–19, NKJV)</p></blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #000080;">Scientific Evidence and the Word of God</span></h3>
<p>Although, I presented some fairly well-documented evidence of the scientific complexity in the first article, my point was to demonstrate that genuine awareness of these issues does not require that we abandon God&#8217;s Word in dealing with them. We need to understand that evidential complexity does not necessarily   equate to spiritual  complexity. While it may be true that humans are   psychologically  complex, this doesn&#8217;t mean that solutions to   psychological problems must  necessarily be equally complex. Biblical solutions, though often not easy to implement because of our sin nature, don&#8217;t involve complicated concepts or convoluted methods.</p>
<p>Yet, when we encounter such complex scientific evidence for the first time, it can be a faith-shaking experience. This can happen, for example, when we start getting into the issue of creation versus evolution. And of course, whole ministries have been established for countering the claims of the scientific establishment that the evidence unequivocally proves evolution to be true.</p>
<p>However &#8211; and this is an extremely important point &#8211; the issue is not the evidence itself. Everyone has access to the same evidence. It is not as if the evolutionists have access to one set of evidence and creationists have access to different set. The real issue is the <em>interpretation</em> of the evidence. Therefore, the task of those who trust the Bible as God&#8217;s inspired, infallible and inerrant Word is to reconcile what may appear to be contradictions between the Scriptures and the evidence.</p>
<p>However, apparent contradictions are not reconciled by simply ignoring the evidence. That is dishonest. But neither are they reconciled by ignoring clear biblical texts nor by irresponsibly re-interpreting those texts. True reconciliation occurs when both the Bible and the evidence are <em>properly</em> interpreted. This is the essence of the task of apologetics. And it is a central part of the ministry of <em>The Alliance for Biblical Integrity</em> as we seek to apply a biblical hermeneutic to the tough issues and difficult questions that threaten to weaken the church in this generation.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #000080;">Sorting It All Out</span></h3>
<p>In future articles I will address how to apply biblical principles to the physiological issues and potentially-related temptations which I noted in the first article. However, in the next article I will begin to examine the biblical passages that directly address the issue of homosexuality and respond to some of the exegetical challenges that form the basis for the second line of reasoning used by an increasing number of opponents of the historical view.</p>
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		<title>Homosexuality and the Bible &#8211; Part I</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 15:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the first in a series of articles on the topic of &#8220;Homosexuality and the Bible.&#8221; However, the series will not necessarily be presented in consecutive blogs. A Faltering Consensus The consensus among conservative evangelicals is that the Bible provides the final and authoritative word on all aspects of life. Historically, there has also [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is the first in a series of articles on the topic of &#8220;Homosexuality and the Bible.&#8221; However, the series will not necessarily be presented in consecutive blogs.</em></p>
<h2>A Faltering Consensus</h2>
<p>The consensus among conservative evangelicals is that the Bible provides the final and authoritative word on all aspects of life. Historically, there has also been broad consistency in how the Bible has been understood and biblical principles have been applied to a variety of moral issues, including homosexuality. However, this consensus seems to be slowly dissolving in the face of seismic shifts in the views of society toward homosexuality and those who engage in homosexual behavior. As society as a whole closely tracks with the downward spiral into the spiritual and moral abyss of homosexual behavior, very explicitly described by Paul in Romans chapter one, the church is following remarkably close behind. Behaviors and lifestyles that would have been broadly condemned as sinful by virtually the entire evangelical community just a generation ago are being increasingly viewed as acceptable and normal.</p>
<p>This naturally raises the question as to how this is even possible when the Bible seems to so consistently and unambiguously condemn such practices, and goes so far as to clearly warn of eternal consequences for those who would choose a homosexual lifestyle. Part of the answer may be related to some of the complexities that have not often been acknowledged or considered (or at least openly addressed in my experience) by many conservative evangelicals. When the hard questions aren&#8217;t asked or dealt with sufficiently, God&#8217;s people can find themselves ill-equipped to respond biblically when challenged&#8212;or they can find their faith shaken when they first become aware of some of the more difficult issues.</p>
<p><em>Note: Although some may find parts of this article to be controversial, my purpose is to show that an awareness of some of the more difficult  biological issues surrounding gender and sexuality do not require us to abandon the historical, conservative evangelical position concerning homosexuality.</em></p>
<h2>A Complex Issue</h2>
<p>Perhaps the first complication involves the definition of homosexuality itself. Historically, homosexuality has been viewed as a choice and defined in terms of being a learned behavior rather than being an inherent aspect of someone&#8217;s nature . In other words, by definition, in this view, a homosexual is someone who engages in homosexual behavior. It is <em>what </em>someone does, not <em>who </em>someone is.</p>
<p>In this historically-prevalent view, homosexuality is considered to be unnatural, learned and morally wrong. This is consistent with the sense of justice which says that God would only condemn and judge evil <em>behavior&#8212;</em>things that we might choose to do, rather than those things over which we have no control &#8211; such as our gender, for example. On the other hand, those who may experience feelings of same-sex attraction, but choose to not act upon these urges are not generally considered to be homosexual and of course they are not guilty of sin if these feelings do not go beyond the realm of temptation. In essence, this view presumes that everyone is naturally  a heterosexual at birth and that homosexuality is a life-style choice, often thought to stem from homosexual experiences while growing up, either through sexual abuse by older children or adults, or because of curiosity and experimentation.</p>
<p>However, a search of the internet for the phrase, &#8220;scientific studies on homosexuality&#8221; shows that opinion remains divided on the answer to the question, &#8220;Are homosexuals made or are they born?&#8221; Some studies seem to indicate that genetics may play a role in sexual orientation and that homosexuality has a biological basis, while other studies suggest it does not or are inconclusive.</p>
<blockquote><p>For example, when asked if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology,  gay gene researcher, Dean Hamer, replied, &#8220;Absolutely not. From twin  studies, we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual  orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic  factors&#8230;not negate the psychosocial factors&#8221; (Anastasia, 1995, p. 43).  In addition, brain researcher Simon LeVay has acknowledged that  multiple factors may contribute to a homosexual orientation (LeVay,  1996). <a href="http://www.narth.com/docs/hom101.html">(NART website)</a></p></blockquote>
<p>And there are apparently additional issues that I had never even thought about until doing some research for this series. These do concern matters of physiology and biology, and should at least be taken into account as we seek to develop informed convictions in this matter. Though rare, some people are actually born with what is termed &#8220;<a href="http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ambiguous-genitalia/ds00668">ambiguous genitalia</a>&#8221; which include characteristics of both male and female sexual organs &#8211; or internal sex organs of one sex, with external sex organs of the opposite sex. In this situation, at the chromosomal level most are still either males (XY chromosomes) or female (XX chromosomes), <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex">with no particular &#8220;sexual identity issues&#8221;.</a> But in terms of social interaction and personal relationships, such physiological ambiguity can understandably present some very difficult emotional challenges, let alone spiritual ones.</p>
<p>In some very rare cases there are abnormalities such that there is a male / female mix at the chromosomal level. In less rare cases, the &#8220;intersexed&#8221; person is either a male or female at the chromosomal level, but primarily have the external genitalia of the opposite sex. In the latter case, even though, again, there may not be a conflict between their chromosomal sexual identity and their psychological sexual identity, there is a conflict between their chromosomal sexual identity and their physical appearance.</p>
<p>Such physiological factors seem to raise some important practical questions:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Biblically, with whom may a person  with these congenital defects enter a marriage relationship and engage  in sexual relations?</em></p>
<p><em>Are such people alone free to choose a partner of either  sex? </em></p>
<p><em>Or must they marry someone who is of the opposite sex at the  chromosomal level, even though they are essentially the same sex at the  external physical level?</em></p>
<p><em> Or are they required to live a life of celibacy  to remain morally pure?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Admittedly, very few of us will never encounter such a person and some may feel it is misguided to bring such rare occurrences into the discussion. However, especially for those of us in ministry, we have a responsibility try to find biblical answers to life&#8217;s questions that sometimes turn out to be more complex than we may have supposed. We must be able to give godly counsel to fellow-believers concerning their  life-decisions in this area. Perhaps because of my background in science and engineering, as I have pondered this and many other issues in light of the Scriptures, I am frequently reminded of the care required to avoid repeating some of the blunders of the past&#8212;as happened with Galileo, for example.</p>
<p>And beyond these cases of physically inter-sexed individuals, there seem to be other situations that also require biblical wisdom and spiritual maturity to handle appropriately. In my experience, there seem to be &#8220;degrees&#8221; of masculinity and femininity such that these rather subjective areas are not defined by rigid boundaries marked off by our identity as either a male or female (even assuming no physiological abnormalities). Even when chromosomes are not an issue, hormones and other factors seem to be. Some men seem to have more effeminate characteristics and mannerisms, while some women seem to be &#8220;less feminine&#8221; in any number of ways. And there seems to be an unbroken continuum between the two, such that these characteristics may be more or less pronounced in any given person apart from any personal intent or desire to appear or act in a way that is gender-ambiguous.</p>
<p>When both biological and environmental factors are taken into consideration, it is not difficult to understand how and why some may experience genuine internal conflict and have to deal with truly unwanted sexual urges and temptations. And this is undoubtedly not limited to the issue of homosexuality, but to sexuality in general.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it seems that all of us have different areas of weakness and tendencies toward particular types of sin to varying degrees. Some struggle with anger, while others struggle with honesty. Some struggle with worry, while others struggle with fear. Some struggle with laziness, while others struggle with lust.  And while it is not too difficult for us to sympathize with those with whom we share common struggles, it can be difficult for us to understand how others can genuinely struggle with things that are not a particular problem for us. But the fact is that any struggle in any area can lead to moral failure if we fail to withstand the temptations that inevitably come.</p>
<p>Certainly there are those who simply choose to fulfill their sexual desire in sinful ways that are condemned by the Bible. There is a troubling and growing trend within the more conservative evangelical community that has existed for a long time within the broader liberal church&#8212;that of changing attitudes toward homosexuality. This behavior and lifestyle is being accepted on various grounds, including the argument that the Bible does not label as sinful committed same-sex relationships. In the next article in this series I will be looking at the  relevant biblical texts to discuss whether or not such a position is biblically defensible.</p>
<p>On the other hand, we need to recognize that difficult genuinely physiological gender-related situations do exist, even though we may them awkward, distasteful or even repulsive. We all know of a few men who don&#8217;t exactly fit the mold of what is commonly considered to be &#8220;manly.&#8221; We all know a few women who are less feminine than others. Yet, during the twenty-five years I have been a believer, I don&#8217;t recall some of these particular issues ever being addressed or even mentioned in any context.</p>
<p>I think we have an obligation to both respond biblically to clearly sinful behavior, as well as to provide godly instruction and biblical counsel when fellow-believers experience problems that cannot be merely condemned as matters of choice alone. The sufficiency of Scripture allows us to confidently tackle the tough issues of life with neither fear nor apology. In a future article, I will delve into the matter of ministry to those who have particular struggles in this area.</p>
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